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Simple Home-built Trencher ??

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Chuck, WA

02-24-2003 13:42:04




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I have a need from time-to-time to dig irrigation line, drain pipe trenches, electical conduit trenches, and other narrow, but moderately deep trenches. Couple of friends nearby have the same need. We have small acreages for horses, hobby farming and just because we love the country. We also have other full-time jobs to support our hobby. We have mixed skills, but are all pretty handy and have the tools needed to fabricate new toys.

We collectively have thought about building a low-cost (that's spelled "really cheap") trencher that would let us cut a 4" wide trench up to 24" deep. I know folks use a modified middle-buster to lay flexible plastic pipe or electric lines, but my own irrigation lines are 2" schedule 40 PVC, and drain lines are 4" PVC, so an open trench is more like it. One friend bought a "potato plow" which works to a certain degree - cuts a trench maybe 10"-12" wide, but no more than about a foot deep.

Our soil here is pretty much rock-free, but is pretty much dry clay after we get below about 6-12". That makes it pretty firm, but with no real structure to tear up a piece of equipment other than being hard.

Our tractors include an old Farmall (don't know the model) that's not real powerful, a Ford 3000 diesel four-wheel drive, and my own MF35 diesel that at around 38 hp is the strongest.

Anybody out there ever built such a device?

My thoughts are to take an existing 3-pt implement - I have a 3-pt KingCutter "carryall" - and attach to it a length of around 3-4" angle iron, maybe 3-4 ft long, with it's bottom end cut to an angle and sharpened, and angled so it's bottom cutting end is forward. We'd mount so you could easily swing it up since the 3-pt doesn't have a 2 ft. stroke without putting a long attachment arm on it.

The thought is that we could make several passes if needed to get the depth - we're not talking about miles of trench...more like several hundreds of feet for any given job. The angle iron (with it's apex towards the back and on an angle) would tend to let the soil ride up and spill to the outside - hopefully not fill back in. Might need a deflector to keep it from riding all the way up and over the top of the angle, but that's the general idea.

Any comments on that idea, or any other ideas?

Maybe a silly, but then again, maybe not! :)

Thanks!

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mj

02-27-2003 16:54:44




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 Re: Simple Home-built Trencher ?? in reply to Chuck, WA, 02-24-2003 13:42:04  
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Small ditcher
I started with a Cat. 1 drawbar, angle Iron, roadgrader ripper shank & point, cultivator shovel and some sheet steel. That's a VAC wheel weight for 'bite'!



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mj

02-27-2003 16:49:01




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 Re: Simple Home-built Trencher ?? in reply to Chuck, WA, 02-24-2003 13:42:04  
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Ditch Plow
This one is made up from two bottoms (a right & a left) from a flip-over plow, a Cat. 1 drawbar and some steel strap.



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Butcher

02-26-2003 17:03:38




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 Re: Simple Home-built Trencher ?? in reply to Chuck, WA, 02-24-2003 13:42:04  
I have a cheap middle buster from Tractor supply. Mounted behind my 1750 Oliver With a hydrolic cylinder on the top link I can go 18 inch's deep by 6 inch's wide. I will have to say that I do not like burying PVC. Last year I had to repair a bunch of the stuff. It is all 2 inch stuff that has been in the ground for about 10 years. It's starting to disentegrate. All the joints are still good but it's getting pin holes in places that it should'nt.

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mj

02-26-2003 07:00:10




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 Re: Simple Home-built Trencher ?? in reply to Chuck, WA, 02-24-2003 13:42:04  
There are a lot of ditches around here (irrigated crop land) and everyone uses a V-ditcher. Some of them will go down 3-4 feet but that takes a big tractor to handle! I dug a trench 180 feet x 20" in.deep with a small v-ditcher mounted on a VAO with multiple passes. The thing about v-ditchers is there is hardly any loose soil left in the ditch. The wings of the ditcher lift it into a windrow on each side. I don't have a picture on file but will get one this p.m. and post it here.

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Chuck, WA

02-26-2003 15:38:11




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 Re: Re: Simple Home-built Trencher ?? in reply to mj, 02-26-2003 07:00:10  
MJ...yes, I'd like to see a pic if you have one around. Sounds like it might be similar, and if it is, it will at least assure me that I'm not too far out in left field.

Thanks!



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mj

02-26-2003 19:18:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Simple Home-built Trencher ?? in reply to Chuck, WA, 02-26-2003 15:38:11  
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This is a Cat. 3 ditcher so wings are about 5 ft. long. The more you angle it the more aggressive it is and the deeper you can go.



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Chuck, WA

02-27-2003 07:34:28




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Simple Home-built Trencher ?? in reply to mj, 02-26-2003 19:18:29  
mj...I see we're not talking about the same thing. What I had in mind would look a lot more like a sub-soiler. I'm talking about a trench like you'd cut with a Ditch Witch - maybe 4" wide by 18-24" deep. What you show in the pic looks like it's intended to cut things like irrigation or drainage ditches - wide and shallow rather than narrow and deep, though I could see where it might cut deep, but not necessarily narrow.

Thanks aqnyhow, but I guess that's just not what I had in mind.

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mj

02-27-2003 15:33:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Simple Home-built Trencher ?? in reply to Chuck, WA, 02-27-2003 07:34:28  
Yep...a v-ditcher cuts a ditch with a ridge of dirt on each side. They work good if you have the space to use them. You can narrow the 'V' on a ditch that you're going to backfill since you don't have to worry about the banks sluffing off like you do with an irrigation or drain ditch but it still won't be a 'trench'.



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Chris Jones

02-25-2003 21:12:21




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 Re: Simple Home-built Trencher ?? in reply to Chuck, WA, 02-24-2003 13:42:04  
Actually I was thinking the same thing as you but using a 4" heavy walled pipe split long way to make a channel for the dirt to ride up. You could use the L channel behind it for added strength. But you said everything I was thinking including cutting off the side as it approached the top and adding a deflector so the dirt rolled off the side at the top. I don't think you'd need that much hp to do that making several passes. hey if you have a spare piece of irrigation pipe you can split it would be nice and smooth for the dirt to move on. I can't think of anything else that will leave a clean trench.

Of coure you can start with a narrow single bottom plow and a couple of passes to get it as deep as possible then use a middle buster/ripper to cut to the final depth but I doubt the trench will be left clean you might have to take a hoe and clean the trench out by hand but at least it'd be loose dirt.

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mj

02-27-2003 18:11:50




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 Re: Re: Simple Home-built Trencher ?? in reply to Chris Jones, 02-25-2003 21:12:21  
I believe your idea would work; you'd want to use some pretty heavy pipe if you were going very deep.There was a deal in Farm Show awhile back that mounted to the front edge of a skid-steer bucket. It was, basically, a heavy piece of channel pointing forward with the cup up. The dirt ran up the channel and into the bucket. He used multiple passes. Seems like you could do the same without the bucket but with a splitter like you said and make it rear mount to the 3-point. I like your using pipe idea better. You could put an edge on the business end with a hand grinder.

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Chuck, WA

02-26-2003 15:36:47




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 Re: Re: Simple Home-built Trencher ?? in reply to Chris Jones, 02-25-2003 21:12:21  
Chris...yeah, my thnking started with a pipe cut lengthwise, then the more I thought about it, the more I thought a length of angle would work about the same and not need a long cut.

Thanks for the reply.



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Steve 541

02-25-2003 09:03:42




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 Re: Simple Home-built Trencher ?? in reply to Chuck, WA, 02-24-2003 13:42:04  
Search the 9N archives...in fact I think it is right there on the opening page...where there has been a lot of good advice on this subject. Steve



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larry

02-24-2003 19:45:43




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 Re: Simple Home-built Trencher ?? in reply to Chuck, WA, 02-24-2003 13:42:04  
as far as horsepower we used a log chain and make sure its heavy to increase horsepower we had old sod 3x14 and a 1650 and d15 in tandem also run when the weather is coler and wetter that will also increase hp



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paul

02-24-2003 15:43:28




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 Re: Simple Home-built Trencher ?? in reply to Chuck, WA, 02-24-2003 13:42:04  
Isn't that pretty much a middle-buster? You could start with one of those & probably be ahead on the design.

Your angle iron would need a pipe backing or something, it isn't very strong in the demention you are planning to use it.

Pulling a 4' deep, 4" tile plow takes 200+ hp in clay soils - you are 1/2 way there on your design specs.

--->Paul



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Chuck, WA

02-24-2003 16:06:33




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 Re: Re: Simple Home-built Trencher ?? in reply to paul, 02-24-2003 15:43:28  
Paul..thanks for your thoughts. I was concerned about the HP needed. I might se if I can borrow a middle buster and see how it works for starters.

A middle-buster, as I understand, is usually a 1" thick by maybe 3-4" broad bar with a chisel tip at the end. I get the impression that it doesn't really leave a trench behind. Am I wrong? Our thinking was to get some lifting action by way of the angle to clear the trench as it cut.

Anyhow, the 4' length includes what's above the gorund since I don't really need to go deeper than 24" max in maybe several passes - ie, maybe 6-8" each pass.

We did figure we'd need reinforcing, just hadn't thought through how to do it yet.

Thanks again!

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