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A Little Help, Please

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Iowa Jim

02-28-2003 05:17:46




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As some of you know I am preparing to build a hay rack on a 10-ton running gear I just purchased. I need some suggestion or reassurances before I start the project.

Here is the plan: 10-ton gear with 12 foot wheelbase on which I will put a 10x20 rack built of 2"x10"x10' boards. Here is where I need some advice. Is 10x20 too big? Is 20' too long for a 12' wheelbase?




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kydavid

03-02-2003 15:42:26




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 Re: Hay Wagon - A Little Help, Please in reply to Iowa Jim, 02-28-2003 05:17:46  
20' length will be fine. I use 3"X10"X20' rough cut white oak and they will take it. Really don't like the idea of 10' wide, Guess it's ok if it works for what you need but if you ever want to get on the road, it's too wide. I put all flats 48" from center of rear axle to end of runners and 18" from center of front axle to front of runner. I can stack 188 easy on these and don't have to rope, could go taller but and get more but then it needs roping. We only use 1-1/2" (6/4") thick flooring (rough white oak). Gives you the same thickness that you'd get with finished 2", rough cut will give you better footing, too.

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Iowa Jim

03-01-2003 05:28:00




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 Re: Hay Wagon - A Little Help, Please in reply to Iowa Jim, 02-28-2003 05:17:46  
I must clarify one point, this is a flat rack for stacking hay, not a throw rack. All of our ground is flat and we don't have to contend with a bank barn for loading.

I currently use one wagon that is 10 x 18. We can stack 255 bales on it and still get it into the barn. However, this is on a 12-ton gear with 12.5L tires. The gear I plan to build a rack on has 11L tires.



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paul

03-01-2003 07:34:53




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 Re: Re: Hay Wagon - A Little Help, Please in reply to Iowa Jim, 03-01-2003 05:28:00  
Sounds like you are into big wagons, so go for it. I'm like the rest here, you couldn't make me drag something that big & heavy through my fields - I'd wreck too much alfalfa when it's wet, couldn't fit it in the barn, and wouldn't want to go over my hills with it. I'd hate the higth of it.

You also have to be careful with wagons over 8' wide on the public roads; while mostly there are farm exemptions on wider stuff, they are starting to clamp down. You can't butt two 5' wide round bales on a gooseneck any more, too wide. You can 'get by' on a hay rack.... But every year it gets more restrictive.

--->Paul

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Hugh MacKay

02-28-2003 19:47:24




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 Re: Hay Wagon - A Little Help, Please in reply to Iowa Jim, 02-28-2003 05:17:46  
Go with Ralph's ideas on hay rack dimensions. 20 ft will work good for a thrower, but if your walking the wagon behind baler 16 to 18 ft plenty long. Pay particular to his dimensions fore and aft of axles, let your wheel base adjust to Ralph's criteria.

On the weight item, some of you guys must be baling steel ingots. I baled 35,000 bales per year with Farmall 300, S69 NH baler and thrower and 8' x 20' wagons. Wagons were all hauled to barn with Cockshutt 540 or Farmall 130, and yes I had some hills.

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Shep

02-28-2003 13:02:03




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 Re: Hay Wagon - A Little Help, Please in reply to Iowa Jim, 02-28-2003 05:17:46  
I am with the rest of the guys, that is too big. We run 8 foot wide rack wagons with flared tops that make it about 9 foot at the top, and we have 16 foot and 18 foot lengths. There is no way I want to unload a 20 foot wagon, or try to manover it in a barn. We can get 150 bales on our 18 foot kick wagons and you better have a pretty stout tractor out in front when she comes up the barn bridge with a full load of alfalfa hay, not to mention when it is almost full running around in a field pushing on the baler.

I would cut it back to at least 9 foot wide by 18 long at the most and build another wagon if you need more capacity.

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Joe cd

02-28-2003 19:52:17




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 Re: Re: Hay Wagon - A Little Help, Please in reply to Shep, 02-28-2003 13:02:03  
They usually have openings iun the sides of wagons about half way back so you don't have to walk the full length of the wagon. Thats how i can get by with only one person unloading all day long without them being exhausted. Also bolt the opposite corners and then chain the other 2 corners to the gear. If you have some hills just don't load it all the way on the hilly fields, and go all out on the flat ones. 20 * 9 is a good size to have because you can get that bigger load on on flat fields to save a little time.

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Ralph Ia

02-28-2003 12:22:50




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 Re: Hay Wagon - A Little Help, Please in reply to Iowa Jim, 02-28-2003 05:17:46  
Jim, maybe you are younger and more ambitious than I but let me tell you what I think is a good flatrack.
I like one close to the ground. You will climb up and down many times in a year. 9.5 or 11.l tires and the floor close to them I like a 8x16'. When you walk back and forth loading bales on one longer it gets to be a long day.
One and a half feet from the front bolster to the front of the rack is about right behind a baler. And not over two and a half feet on the back bolster. Even then you might need to add into the reach.
Tie all four corners to the gear. Just my ideas.

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jim

02-28-2003 16:29:21




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 Re: Re: Hay Wagon - A Little Help, Please in reply to Ralph Ia, 02-28-2003 12:22:50  
I agree with Ralph about the size issue. However, in our area, we only bolt down the rear bolster and throw chains around each front bolster in order to have the rack flex when going through ditches. Otherwise,you subject the frame to a lot of twisting which loosens up your rack.



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markct

02-28-2003 09:04:11




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 Re: Hay Wagon - A Little Help, Please in reply to Iowa Jim, 02-28-2003 05:17:46  
another thing to consider too is the weight of a fully loaded 20 ft wagon. im sure the running gear and wagon would hold it but would you be able to stop it and a baler behind your tractor on a hill. i have a friend who has a 1085 MF that he uses to hay, most of his wagons are 16 footers but he has 1 that is a 20 footer and he will only use that wagon in the very flat fields cause he either will get stuck going uphill or slide downhill with it,neither of which is safer nor fun. but if ya have a big enough tractor and flat enough ground then you should be ok

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DAn S.

02-28-2003 08:19:35




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 Re: Hay Wagon - A Little Help, Please in reply to Iowa Jim, 02-28-2003 05:17:46  
20 feet long is fine, if you had a tandem gear I would even go up to 22 feet long. On the width you better cut it down to 9 feet. That is the max on any wagon you can buy. I suggest using steel beams under the wagon. For that long it will be hard to get a good wood beam that won't crack. Other than wood vs metal sides is up to you depending on if you can store the wagon inside or not. Good luck!

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Mguy

02-28-2003 07:17:31




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 Re: Hay Wagon - A Little Help, Please in reply to Iowa Jim, 02-28-2003 05:17:46  
Ten feet is too wide. 8'-6'' or as much as 9' is plenty. Ten feet=scraped trucks, mailboxes torn off,plus try backin' that hog in a barn! BTDT.If you're going more than 18 long, better have steel underneath; her belly willwant to rub. One suggestion, put a ladder on the back for novices or rough fields. Good luck! Mguy.



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Frank

02-28-2003 07:07:09




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 Re: Hay Wagon - A Little Help, Please in reply to Iowa Jim, 02-28-2003 05:17:46  
I can't see your wagon from here, but 20' seems a bit long-- if centered this has 4' of rack in front of the front axle. Will the tongue be long enough for turning without tractor tire rubbing rack?
A 10 ton gear is certainly heavy enough for a 20' rack, but wouldn't 18' or even 16' be enough? You can get a lot of hay on either of these. I (personally) would either go shorter than 20' or extend the wagon reach (between the front & rear axles).

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