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Heres another baler question, please help

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Mike706

03-08-2003 17:17:21




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Hi, my friend is getting into a baleing business and is looking to buy a new small square baler. He wants a pull behind and not a side pull. Any websites that we could have to go to would be great. Thanks
Mike 706




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Brad in va

03-09-2003 18:10:04




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 Re: Heres another baler question, please help in reply to Mike706, 03-08-2003 17:17:21  
I dont know about you guys but my problem would be how much hay would bunch up or how much you would drag around when the hitch pin or the draw bar drags through the windrows. I deal with that with my round baler alot. I am thinking of going back to the 5 bar 256 or 258 rakes to get smaller tighter windrows. My gehl 418 rake makes a big windrow that isnt very tight. My two cents is stick with what has been a proven baler but get what you like its your money. For my money it is the New Holland 575. You can run about as fast as you want to. It keeps eatin...

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E J

03-09-2003 16:45:56




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 Re: Heres another baler question, please help in reply to Mike706, 03-08-2003 17:17:21  
Case IH have those styles.8520,8530,8545,8550 these are older numbers may have newer No. now.



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Tim(nj)

03-09-2003 16:58:55




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 Re: Re: Heres another baler question, please help in reply to E J, 03-09-2003 16:45:56  
The CaseIH in-lines were made by Hesston. The current line-up of CaseIH balers are made by New Holland and are of conventional design.



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Gary n TX

03-09-2003 16:29:47




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 Re: Heres another baler question, please help in reply to Mike706, 03-08-2003 17:17:21  
Hey Mike,
I personally have never operated a inline baler and honestly wouldn't want too. For several reasons, your always looking directly behind you instead of just off to the side, you have a limited view of whats going on behind you and I really just don't like the looks of them. I run a Deere 346 wire tie baler and I like it very much. I don't think you could go wrong with either Deere or New Holland balers, don't know much about other brands. I think I'll stick to the Green ones!

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Mike706

03-09-2003 13:48:56




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 Re: Heres another baler question, please help in reply to Mike706, 03-08-2003 17:17:21  
Thank you for all the help. Like i said its for my friend and honestly i didnt see the point in an inline cause we haev always had the other and i doubted that it made much difference. He thinks it'll make a better bale since its gonna push it strait back but i guess we'll see. Thanks again,
Mike



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kydavid

03-09-2003 17:20:16




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 Re: Re: Heres another baler question, please help in reply to Mike706, 03-09-2003 13:48:56  
Interesting comment you made, that he thinks it will make a better bale. That's what I thought when I first started looking at them. Drove up to Moline and talked to some of the Deere guys, they put me onto some tips with my baler that made all the difference in the world. I switched from hand loading to automatic bale wagons and tripled annual production (but didn't get any more hours). First thing they told me was to look at the cosistency of my windrows, thick and thin spots mess up bale quality. Started taking a lot more care raking, went back to 5 bar rakes (doesn't pile as bad). Then I tightened the bale tension until I have to use hooks to handle the bales, and switched from sisal to plastic twine (ties faster, stronger). I need one of the high capacity, wide pick up NH balers, but like the prices better on the Deeres.

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Tim(nj)

03-09-2003 17:54:18




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 Re: Re: Re: Heres another baler question, please help in reply to kydavid, 03-09-2003 17:20:16  
I have found the Hesston to be much more consistent with its bale length and weight at higher field speeds than any Deere I have run (336, 328, 338; only the 336 belonged to me). I also found that when you made bales hook-tight with the Deere, clutch life was extremely shortened. That 328 also had a bad habit of breaking needles when baling heavy bales. They never figured that one out (wasn't my baler). I never had that happen on my 336 or on the other guy's 338. Anyway, another thing I like about the Hesston, it has resistor plates than can be adjusted from outside the bale chamber. Put hydraulic bale tension on an inline, and you won't notice much of a difference when you've got a field with varying windrows. From my own experience, you also get better quality alfalfa hay out of an inline. The Deere used drop all the leaves to the bottom of the bale from all the movement.

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kydavid

03-09-2003 18:03:21




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Heres another baler question, please help in reply to Tim(nj), 03-09-2003 17:54:18  
You are right about the clutches, put 2 sets a year in mine. Put 1 set in when I finish 1st cutting alfalfa, before I start running timothy. Put another set after timothy before going back to alfalfa. That's where capacity kills me, I need to bale 1500 bales in 6 hrs, and repeat 6 times in 14 days. Clutches are toast. Can put up 7000 alfalfa over the remaining 4 cuttings, plus first cutting the next year and they are at about 50%.

Never seen a 326 or 328 so I can't speak to the needles, only broke 2 sets in mine. One when the plunger wrist pin broke and 1 when the spring broke on the safety dog (not a commonly checked item), and sliped time due to a operator malfunction, never let anyone but me or my dad bale for the last 20 yrs, 1 day I did ..... ..... ...

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lc

03-09-2003 20:07:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Heres another baler question, please help in reply to kydavid, 03-09-2003 18:03:21  
You made me sick just a bit ago. 1500 bales in 6 hours? I'm lucky to do 300 in 6 hours! Some guys have it going on!



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RickB.

03-09-2003 03:34:14




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 Re: Heres another baler question, please help in reply to Mike706, 03-08-2003 17:17:21  
Kinda limits the choices. Hesston makes the only inline baler I am aware of.



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kydavid

03-08-2003 19:05:54




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 Re: Heres another baler question, please help in reply to Mike706, 03-08-2003 17:17:21  
Would really reconsider an in line. All balers will plug up, all will break down. THe more you hide the guts, the bigger the job to fix.

I looked a lot at them for a long time, decided to go with a 338 Deere, when I finally get the guts to upgrade. Got a 336 now, over 250,000 bales and still going.



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Tim(nj)

03-09-2003 16:56:17




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 Re: Re: Heres another baler question, please help in reply to kydavid, 03-08-2003 19:05:54  
I bought a new Hesston 4550 last year. It works great. The thing about looking back, with the in-line, if you keep your tractor wheels on either side of the windrow, you don't HAVE to look back. The pickup is plenty wide. This Hesston is the smallest one in the lineup, but will out-bale a John Deere 328 with ease, and will keep up with a 338. I have not found maintenance to be any more diffucult than a Deere. I have found I can bale faster, make better bales, and lose less leaves with the Hesston than with my old JD 336. I find the Hesston bales are more uniform and tighter than what my Deere made, although I never thought the 336 made a bad bale. I used to think nothing but green and yellow baler-wise, but since I bought my 4550, I'll never go back to a Deere again (I use a thrower, and the Deere ejector is very limiting on speed you can bale compared to the Hesston/New Holland style hydraulic-drive belt throwers). My local AGCO dealer also offers better parts and service on hay equipment than our Deere dealer, who seems to be more grain-equipment oriented. BTW, I have had less trouble with plugging on the in-line than I had on the conventional baler, because stuff isn't trying to go around a right angle twice to get to the bale chamber.

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