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Bill

05-07-2003 17:51:59




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I have restored to working condition a 1962 Massey-Ferguson MF50 diesel farm tractor. It is 38 PTO hp. Having done that, I am considering putting my hands on some old hay equipment and perhaps restoring a sickle bar, rake and square baler. Sounds like the next step!

I gather from reading the posts here that the most desirable balers are JD and NH. No arguments here. Problem is that in my neck of the woods, these brand balers, rakes and sickle bars carry a premium price - as they should. I have seen low prices ($500 and under)on several Ford & Massey Ferguson balers, rakes and sickle bar mowers.

My question is this: In as much as Ford and Massey Ferguson are out of the hay business, are parts available for their old hay equipment?

I have seen a Ford 530 baler, a Massey Ferguson #9 baler (which I can find no info on), Ford 501 sickle bar mower and a MF hay rake and 7' sickle bar mower which I do not know the models as of yet.

I think I would enjoy restoring one of these less popular brands and may could do that for considerable less $$$ than some of the JD or NH equipment.

Any comments would be welcome.

Thanks in advance,
Bill

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Jerry A.

05-08-2003 05:54:38




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 Re: Hobbie Hay Making Questions in reply to Bill, 05-07-2003 17:51:59  
I also make a little hay on about 15-16 acres. I've got an old NH Super 68...older than me, but still punches out the bales!

I use a Zetor drum mower which is great, but leaves the hay in somewhat of a small windrow. I ended up buying a little hay tender which works fine. It does mean another pass over the field to spread things out, but it speeds up drying. I was temped to buy a conditioner, but they're big and complex, too. Just a matter of choice, I guess. If I did more acres, I'd probably go with the conditioner and save tractor time.

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Tom A -- put money in the baler; other stuff is easier

05-08-2003 03:16:11




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 Re: Hobbie Hay Making Questions in reply to Bill, 05-07-2003 17:51:59  
Bill:

I have had two MF #10 balers. Both baled ok, and most parts were available easily *except* for the one I kept breaking--the knotter hooks. You can get these used, but the prices for them are prohibitive, anywhere from $80 to $150 bucks. I wound up spending more on them than I did for either baler. The other problem I encountered was a lack of skilled mechanics for them in my area. Here, the *only* baler is NH and that's all you can get help with if you need it. Given the manuals, I got pretty good at timing and rebuilding the MF, but it was slow going at first. Balers are complex machines and need love and attention.

On the other hand, the other haymaking stuff isn't. Given a manual and a little experience you can keep anything else running. I've got a Ford 515 sicklebar mower; the few times I've needed parts (knock wood) I was able to get them and the manual is still available. It is reliable and easy to work on. I've had Ford and Ferguson hay rakes and they were all easy to maintain and use, although I really liked the Ford best. I just bought a crimper for $10, it is missing parts and has been out in the weather for a decade and once I greased it and freed up the chains it is running well.

So, IMHO, don't scrimp on the baler as it is the most troublesome and expensive to maintain. But the rake, mower and anything else you can get any of the "major" old brands and do just fine.

good luck,
Tom

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Bill

05-08-2003 06:01:46




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 Re: Re: Hobbie Hay Making Questions in reply to Tom A -- put money in the baler; other stuff is easier, 05-08-2003 03:16:11  
Tom, your email dosnt work. You can still buy new billhooks for about 65-70 dallors, Its called a kit from MF. The 10 baler is a good baler to bale with. they sell for 400-900 dallors depending where your at.As for Bill I would look around for a used haybine to save afew passes across the feilds. but what ever you buy, buy a parts manual also. good luck Bill from Wisc.



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Tom A

05-08-2003 06:52:29




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 Re: Re: Re: Hobbie Hay Making Questions in reply to Bill, 05-08-2003 06:01:46  
Bill:

Amazing that billhooks are still available new, 'cuz I spent a lot of time with my local MF dealer trying to get them and they kept getting cancelled. Oh well, too late 'cuz I sold both my 10s (at a loss, no less)!

As for the email, if you copy and paste and manually delete the word "NOSPAM" it'll work. Writing it in there is a way to trick the automatic systems that harvest email addresses off these sites for spam...found I've gotten lots less spam since I started doing that.

Tom

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Dave in WI

05-07-2003 23:00:00




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 Re: Hobbie Hay Making Questions in reply to Bill, 05-07-2003 17:51:59  
Just a couple of thoughts... I think that the Massey Ferguson balers became New Holland, but I'm not completely sure if that is the brand. I had an old Massey baler that I sold before I ever used it although a cousin of mine borrowed it and said it worked very well. Some of my other cousins have a newer baler that is designed very similar to that old Massey that I had and I think that it is a New Holland. Now as for the sickle bar mower, if you wish to use a sickle bar mower you can watch for a seperate conditioner for your hay. This will require a seperate pass over your hay unless you can hook it on directly behind your mower, but gives you the same benefit as a haybine. In my area the New Idea sickle bar mowers are the big sellers. I had an old IH mower that did everything I asked of it. I was able to get some parts from the dealer and some from our local farm store.

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Tim(nj)

05-08-2003 12:56:47




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 Re: Re: Hobbie Hay Making Questions in reply to Dave in WI, 05-07-2003 23:00:00  
New Holland is and always has been New Holland. MF had nothing to do with them.



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jls

05-07-2003 21:23:40




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 Re: Hobbie Hay Making Questions in reply to Bill, 05-07-2003 17:51:59  
started witha MF 12 and baled a lot of hay,parts were avail but entire parts baler was cheaper than new parts. had access to neighbors baler tho for a backup. Sold it for what I gave for it. If you like to work on equip just pick a flavor and keep 2 or 3 around for parts and one "almost done" for a spare, using the "finished one" for sale If you live where there is humidity go with a haybine instead of sicklebar mowers.Say east of Kansas CityLOL.

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Jerry D in NC

05-07-2003 20:42:32




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 Re: Hobbie Hay Making Questions in reply to Bill, 05-07-2003 17:51:59  
I am an owner of a Ford 530 baler and it does fine. I would not shy away from the Ford baler if it doesn't appear to be worn out. Balers are a mechanical nightmare and anything that is worn out will take both time and money to repair, no matter what color it is. Ford baler parts are readily available, I have never had a problem getting what I need to repair. Typically you can find a second baler for parts cheap too and that is a good investment for any color baler. Many people are color blind about equipment and I guess I am as well but my color is blue. I agree with Paul that loosing hay to rain because the baler broke is disheartening because my friend lost a couple of thousand dollars worth this week when the JD baler rung the universal because the slip clutch didn't. Are JD balers bad? No but all balers will break down. If I am making my living with a hay baler it will not be a baler made in the mid 60's no matter what color. Making hay as I do, the $20,000 for a new one was not in the cards. That Ford 530 not worn out for around $500 is not a bad way to go. As for the rakes I am color blind and only use NH. LOL those MF Rakes seem to have following and hopefully JimUT will show up and discuss them.

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RLS ia

05-07-2003 19:39:55




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 Re: Hobbie Hay Making Questions in reply to Bill, 05-07-2003 17:51:59  
I have a MF 126 wire tye baler and I've had no trouble getting parts for so far. I have my own parts book, as with all the changes in dealers and soforth your partsman or woman might not have a clue what you are wanting and it helps you get the correct part.



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paul

05-07-2003 19:34:38




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 Re: Hobbie Hay Making Questions in reply to Bill, 05-07-2003 17:51:59  
Just IMHO, get a baler you can use, or make usable. Nothing is so depressing as having rain clouds coming, the hay raked, & sitting there with a baler that misses one in 5 bales.....

I'd say most any of the mowers or siderakes should be restorable for years of good use, and you can find or make parts to keep them running. Just check the main gear box/ shaft on either, those are spendy to replace.

--->Paul

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