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Best way to store farm gas

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Dave in WI

05-08-2003 17:32:05




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We have a small place and use about 300 gallons of gas for the tractors each summer. What is the best way to store gas nowadays? Are there general laws that apply and what would you recommend for a tank. Thanks for your help.




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Paul Janke

05-09-2003 18:51:02




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 Re: Best way to store farm gas in reply to Dave in WI, 05-08-2003 17:32:05  
I made a base for a 60 gallon truck fuel tank which I can set on a stand. The 60 gallon tank goes in the back of the pickup to the local gas station. It isn't enough fuel to go bad before it gets used up, and two of us can slide it out of the pickup if the loader isn't available. Our stand is railroad ties which we can take down to put the tank on, and then stack back up with the tank on by doing one end at a time. Incidentally, the 60 gallons is right for half a bottle of lead replacer.

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Paul Janke

05-09-2003 18:46:00




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 Re: Best way to store farm gas in reply to Dave in WI, 05-08-2003 17:32:05  
I made a base for a 60 gallon truck fuel tank which I can set on a stand. The 60 gallon tank goes in the back of the pickup to the local gas station. It isn't enough fuel to go bad before it gets used up, and two of us can slide it out of the pickup if the loader isn't available. Our stand is railroad ties which we can take down to put the tank on, and then stack back up with the tank on by doing one end at a time. Incidentally, the 60 gallons is right for half a bottle of lead replacer.

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tim[in]

05-09-2003 01:42:23




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 Re: Best way to store farm gas in reply to Dave in WI, 05-08-2003 17:32:05  
i haul fuel for a living. did it in a tankwagon, now in a semi everyday! definitly get a containment unit. this can be a metal water tank for livestock which i what we deliver to the customers . it is cheap and foolish not to get because they will start requiring them and you dont want to quit in middle of plowing to have to redo your fuel set up.contrary to what some may claim. that rule will come sooner than you think. plus having to dig up underground home heating tanks too. epa has already started to make noises about this.as for the suggestion about the hose full of fuel, just stop a little short of filling the tankand dr=ain hose into it so you hose is empty. you should have a manual valve on tank to shut fuel off to hose when done. plus you can get stickers from fuel suppliers that say gas or diesel. and to mess with thieves just use the number stickers. 1203 for gas ,1993 diesel. this is what i have done for 7 years so i think i am qualified to speak.and the way things are going, if someone speaks of a proposed rule that might go into effect on something, might as well fix your face for it because eventually they will get it passed into law sooner or later. they, the govt has nothing better to do than sit around and think this up. plus they have all the time and money to keep wearing down any resistance to these things.good luck and be safe

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tim[in]

05-09-2003 01:37:20




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 Re: Best way to store farm gas in reply to Dave in WI, 05-08-2003 17:32:05  
i haul fuel for a living. did it in a tankwagon, now in a semi everyday! definitly get a containment unit. this can be a metal water tank for livestock which i what we deliver to the customers . it is cheap and foolish not to get because they will start requiring them and you dont want to quit in middle of plowing to have to redo your fuel set up.contrary to what some may claim. that rule will come sooner than you think. plus having to dig up underground home heating tanks too. epa has already started to make noises about this.as for the suggestion about the hose full of fuel, just stop a little short of filling the tankand dr=ain hose into it so you hose is empty. you should have a manual valve on tank to shut fuel off to hose when done. plus you can get stickers from fuel suppliers that say gas or diesel. and to mess with thieves just use the number stickers. 1203 for gas ,1993 diesel. this is what i have done for 7 years so i think i am qualified to speak.and the way things are going, if someone speaks of a proposed rule that might go into effect on something, might as well fix your face for it because eventually they will get it passed into law sooner or later. they, the govt has nothing better to do than sit around and think this up. plus they have all the time and money to keep wearing down any resistance to these things.good luck and be safe

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Jerry/ CA

05-08-2003 23:05:52




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 Re: Best way to store farm gas in reply to Dave in WI, 05-08-2003 17:32:05  
Just a side note, in the 50's on the farm in ND we had a 300 gal gravity flow tank for gas. We noticed that for some reason we were needing service more often than usual. Locks were too unhandy, So we put in 4 gal. of water sat. evening and Mon. morning always put the first 5 gal in a grease bucket. well wouldn't you know one Sun noon comeing home from church, there sat my cousins 49 olds in the drive, quit for some unknown reason. Also found 4 five gal. buckets in the trunk too! Lots of fast talking!!!

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paul

05-08-2003 19:48:47




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 Re: Best way to store farm gas in reply to Dave in WI, 05-08-2003 17:32:05  
You can't go underground any more (well, BIG bucks to do so). there are setbacks from buildings, waterways, & wells that you need to follow - differ in different states, AND your insurance company. Funny how they can collect the premium, but don't have to pay out.....

Anyhow, there are getting to be very severe penalties for spills, even as small as 10 gallons. This will only get worse.

I would very strongly consider an overhead tank with a containment deal under it (plastic under gravel with a berm, or a metal or concrete 'tub') big enough to catch a full tank of leaks. If it is not law today, this _will_ be law fairly soon, and you will be money & time ahead having it in place. This is the law for commercial sized tanks, and will be for all of us I'm sure.

If you do the plastic & berm, make a lip where you park & refuel to collect any refueling spills....

This will protect you from legal issues down the road.

--->Paul

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Mark

05-08-2003 19:47:29




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 Re: Best way to store farm gas in reply to Dave in WI, 05-08-2003 17:32:05  
We have a 250 gallon gas tank that has a pump on it, when we pump gas, there is a 10Ft hose, 1" diameter. WHen we turn the pump off, what happens to the 1 gallon or so of gas that is in the hose? Most of the hose would be lower than the tank we are filling...so I guess it just sits there an evaporates? Guess a gravity tank would be better then huh?



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paul

05-08-2003 19:57:02




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 Re: Re: Best way to store farm gas in reply to Mark, 05-08-2003 19:47:29  
Don't you have a nozzle on the end of the hose, like any gas station? Never saw just a hose with no end being used....

With electric, be sure to get the proper hose, with grounding. Many 'farm-rated' hoses are designed for gravity feed only, and don't properly ground for use with electricity.

Altho I guess static discharge is as big a concern, & they don't protect for that....

--->Paul



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Ludwig

05-09-2003 07:06:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Best way to store farm gas in reply to paul, 05-08-2003 19:57:02  
Sure, I worked at a Boy Scout camp that had a 500 gallon tank with no nozzle, just a notched piece that'd hold in the vehicle. When you were done filling you lifted the hose to drain it all and put the nozzle back. The nozzle sat on a hook and wedged into a plug so no water could get in or fumes could evaporate out.



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Don-WI

05-08-2003 18:49:04




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 Re: Best way to store farm gas in reply to Dave in WI, 05-08-2003 17:32:05  
We use about the same amount every year. We have a 150-200 gallon tank that we store ours in. The tank has to be painted either silver or (I think) green for gas, and gold or (i think) red for deisel. This helps the fire fighters in an emergency identify what type of fuel is in the tank, as they have slight differences which will make one go BOOOOM a lot sooner than the other. The company that delivers your gas ought to be able to supply you with a tank, either rent it or buy it from them. Put a lock on it and you will be good to go.
Donovan from Wisconsin

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JMS/MN

05-08-2003 22:05:25




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 Re: Re: Best way to store farm gas in reply to Don-WI, 05-08-2003 18:49:04  
Red tank for gas, green for diesel. Been the standard for at least thirty years or so. And no, you don't need a berm around the tank, or a containment vessel, but if you are a worrywart, just contact your fuel supplier for the latest regs for your state.



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Michael Soldan

05-08-2003 18:22:39




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 Re: Best way to store farm gas in reply to Dave in WI, 05-08-2003 17:32:05  
Dave, here in southern Ontario, fuel dealers have become concerned about the environmental impact of fuel leaks and spills. All storage tanks are now inspected, they must be up off of the ground on some kind of cement or gravel surface, away from buildings in case of fire, shaded or painted to deflect the sun, I know this is just for safety, but before I can fill I need to move mine and repaint them. I don't use a lot of fuel and I hate buying 200 gallons of diesel and end up with half of it in the tank over the winter...but fuel dealers want to make a delivery worth while. In the winter I bring a few 5 gallon cans of diesel out to the farm to blow snow...don't mind bringing it that way, it is always fresh fuel and I have to go get the truck filled once a week anyway..... .Mike in Exeter Ontario

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here, try this

05-08-2003 18:00:09




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 Re: Best way to store farm gas in reply to Dave in WI, 05-08-2003 17:32:05  
I haul way more gas than that home in cans. not the handiest by far but I don't have to keep another tank. You need to keep the tank shaded to prevent evaporation, and then you will have to keep it locked. Gas cans should likewise be stored in a separate building and kept locked.



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RayP(MI)

05-08-2003 18:48:22




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 Re: Re: Best way to store farm gas in reply to here, try this, 05-08-2003 18:00:09  
On overhead tanks, make provision for a lock on the valve at the bottom of the tank where the hose attaches. If you just lock the nozzle, the theives will cut the hose at the nozzle, take what they want, and let the rest run out on the ground.



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Dave in WI

05-08-2003 20:46:35




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 Re: Re: Re: Best way to store farm gas in reply to RayP(MI), 05-08-2003 18:48:22  
Thanks everyone for your great suggestions and information. This will help me set up something that is safe, practical, and likely legal. Thanks again.



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