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Baler and tractor ? rear tractor tire running over

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markct

05-28-2003 20:15:53




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i have a ford 8000 and i am going to be using a NH 268 baler with it,the one thing i have noticed is that when hooked to the baler my right rear tire will be running over part of the windrow,the tire could be moved in another 5 inches,but i want to keep them out for stability with the hills we got around here. will it be a big problem to run over the hay,or should i just not worry about it. i was thinking of getting a tounge for a NH 269 which is a bit longer,but even then it will not completly keep the tire off the windrow

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JMS/MN

05-28-2003 20:29:57




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 Re: baler and tractor ? rear tractor tire running in reply to markct, 05-28-2003 20:15:53  
I feel your pain! I changed my 268 to the 269 hitch years ago, and still it is difficult to stay off the windrow. I always use a tractor set for 30 inch corn rows, but the wheel runs close. Never could understand the engineer that designed that mess. Must have had a 40 inch wide tractor to pull it. Just plain stupid. Good example of an engineer that never used his product. If the hay is dry, you will lose leaves, no way around it.

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markct

05-29-2003 05:00:31




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 Re: Re: baler and tractor ? rear tractor tire runn in reply to JMS/MN, 05-28-2003 20:29:57  
well i am not doing alfalfa so the losing leaves shouldnt be a problem realy,i was mostly just wondering if it will make the hay not pick up properly or anything like that. it does seem that the tounges are just not setover enough on any of the balers,my ford 8000 is a bit wider than some older tractors,its about 8'4" to the outside of the tires. it is more tractor than i need for a NH 268, but none of our other tractors have live pto,and the baler has a kicker so i will be towing a wagon also,and with the hills around here the extra weight and traction will be alot better. i have a spare driveline from a NH 269 baler,but no tounge,at some point i will make a the longer tounge to go with it but even then it wont keep me completly off the windrow

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mike

05-29-2003 06:47:03




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 Re: Re: Re: baler and tractor ? rear tractor tire in reply to markct, 05-29-2003 05:00:31  
Have you tried moving the drawbar over any. I had to do this with a massey 135 tractor and a NH275 baler just to get the shaft lined up straight.



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markct

05-29-2003 07:37:10




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: baler and tractor ? rear tractor t in reply to mike, 05-29-2003 06:47:03  
i had thought about moving the swinging drawbar over a bit, yet in the NH manual it warns against doing that. i didnt know how it would be on the U-joints and stuff



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sammy the RED

06-01-2003 09:56:09




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: baler and tractor ? rear tract in reply to markct, 05-29-2003 07:37:10  
Keep the pto shaft straight.

You can cause some problems if you try and move the hitch over.



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JMS/MN

05-29-2003 22:32:33




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: baler and tractor ? rear tract in reply to markct, 05-29-2003 07:37:10  
I normally move the drawbar as well, and can make left hand turns easily, but the pto chatters on right hand turns. Just look at the difference in pto angles and you will see why. If you cut your fields in a clockwise pattern, the right hand turns are a problem, but even when I had a haybine, before the swather, I cut fields in 'lands' so all windrows were full length of the field, rather than on the square. I could follow the 'lands' with the baler or chopper.

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Hugh MacKay

05-29-2003 21:15:07




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: baler and tractor ? rear tract in reply to markct, 05-29-2003 07:37:10  
I have a solution, tractors the size of Ford 8000 should be parked in haying time. My dad and I baled for years with Farmall 300 NH Super69 Hayliner with thrower, pulled 20' tandem axle wagons, 8' inside. I have yet to see a hill the 300 couldn't handle even with a full wagon. 300 had tires loaded and one set of wheel weights.

In later years I did bale with 560 and 656, they were better only because of diesel power. They probably weren't much heavier as I ran them without liquid or solid weight. I will tell you this my 1066 was never hooked to the baler. I can tell you this, my dad and I baled 9,000 bales in two days all on wagon and in barn with 300, and a Farmall 130 and Cockshutt 540 raking and pulling wagons. That record on our farm was never topped by the larger tractors.

Using this much horse power to make hay, I don't know what some of you guys feed hay to, there is not that much money in the cattle business. You keep crying and crying about no living or money in farming. If you have more than 1/2 horsepower per acre on your farm and you don't have deep pockets you are going bankrupt. There is no difference in cost of operating old or new tractors. The advantage with the old is next month you don't need to make the payment if you so chose.

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markct

05-29-2003 21:40:22




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: baler and tractor ? rear t in reply to Hugh MacKay, 05-29-2003 21:15:07  
well thats fine and dandy to park the big tractors during haying time if ya got another tractor that will run the baler, here my 8000 is the only tractor that has live pto (independent actualy). the only other choices to run the baler would be my fathers ford jubilee or my grandfathers NAA,and with the baler and a loaded wagon i am sure that tractor would skate down a field faster than an olympic skier, that is if it would even run the baler and kicker

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Hugh MacKay

05-30-2003 04:20:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: baler and tractor ? re in reply to markct, 05-29-2003 21:40:22  
You do have a good point, you really don't have another choise. In revieving what has been said, the long tongue and take off shaft will help more than you realize. I ran my Farmalls on 72" centers on tires, so they would been 84" to 86" on the outside. Your are near that with your 8000, probably same, just wider tires. My Super 69 had the long tongue. I never had that problem with the long tongue.

I had a New Holland 890 forage harvester that I ordered new with a Corn Snapper head. That corn head was enough longer that New Holland would only sell with long tongue. With that long tongue I was able to run my 1066 on harvester with duals.

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markct

05-30-2003 04:49:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: baler and tractor in reply to Hugh MacKay, 05-30-2003 04:20:02  
yea i am sorta stuck, i didnt mean to sound rude when i responded to your first post.its just thats what i got to work with. i got a good deal on the 8000. for what i paid for it i likely couldnt have bought a 65-85hp tractor,thats what i was looking for originaly,but all the tractors that size around here were going for $7000 to $9000 , and i got my ford 8000 for about half that, maybe a good choice, maybe not, but thats what i got to work with for now

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paul

05-29-2003 20:26:40




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: baler and tractor ? rear tract in reply to markct, 05-29-2003 07:37:10  
I have a 270 baler. It would turn fine in one direction, it would chatter like heck in the other if you move the tractor hitch off-center.

Also, if you move the hitch of the baler much more to the left, you will notice that the wagon hitch is off-set to the right. This will make the baler want to tilt or crab to an angle with a wagon behind it - gets kinda scary going down a steep hill with a full wagon, as it will want to jack knife. Not a deal-breaker, but be aware of it before modifying the baler hitch too far.

--->Paul

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