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Bernie

06-21-2003 07:10:28




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In case anybody's interested, I'm adding a second 2-cyl Wis engine to my 24T JD baler. I pull it with a 9N so PTO is not an option and I'm sick of creeping in first gear. The hay is heavier than ever this year. I'm having the crown removed off the flywheel so I can run two belts side by side. One will go to the other engine mounted on top in front of the knotters. I have a parts baler with another flywheel in case it doesn't work. Wish me luck. I'll let you know how it works out.

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Okla/Kans Ford

06-23-2003 21:27:29




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 Re: Engine-driven baler in reply to Bernie, 06-21-2003 07:10:28  

ya know, they usta make a wheel that mouted on the hitch of the bailer and had its own toungue. With that there wouldnt be any weight whatwoever to speak of pressing down on the bailer



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paul

06-26-2003 06:05:30




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 Re: Re: Engine-driven baler in reply to Okla/Kans Ford, 06-23-2003 21:27:29  
Doesn't surpise me they don't make that any more!!!! Would make things more unstable.

With a chute on, my baler will have negative hitch weight when the chute is full. With that device, the baler could flip up & trash the pto. Also a heavy baler would jacknife it on hills.

--->Paul



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Puller504

06-23-2003 05:20:28




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 Re: Engine-driven baler in reply to Bernie, 06-21-2003 07:10:28  
30 years ago we ran hay on both Dad and Grandad's farms with 2 Farmall H's and a Super C. First cutting 7 foot windrows were packing too much hay into our New Holland 68 baler too quickly. I got really good at popping the H's clutch to stop the tractor's forward motion, to allow the baler to clear out itself. Timed the transmission and clutch to get going again without the baler missing a beat! In 1980 Dad bought a Farmall SMTA with the independent PTO and Torque Amplifier and the clutch-popping technique became obsolete! Don

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Tim

06-21-2003 22:19:05




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 Re: Engine-driven baler in reply to Bernie, 06-21-2003 07:10:28  
Did you ever think that the baler has only 1 engine for a reason? Everything is made to run right from the factory, adding extra power will only tear up things like the plunger, knoter, pickup, and shear the shear bolts quicker. Replacing the shear bolts with a heavier bolt will only make you need the parts baler to repair the mess you will make of the baler. Take your time and keep running, doubling the power will only make you spend more time fixing the mess.

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Bernie

06-22-2003 14:41:04




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 Re: Re: Engine-driven baler in reply to Tim, 06-21-2003 22:19:05  
I used a 14T for 25 years. When I got the "new" 24T I asked my JD dealer if it was bigger and could bale faster. He assured me that it was. When I mentioned it was engine-driven his comment was that I wouldn't be able to bale any faster; that the 14T was underpowered anyway.

For those of you with PTO balers, how do you determine the correct ground speed? TIA and thanks for all your replies.

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bob

06-21-2003 16:56:58




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 Re: Engine-driven baler in reply to Bernie, 06-21-2003 07:10:28  
Whyncha git one of them high horsepower lightweight motersickle moters off ebay and use it? You kud gitcha a 75 horspower 1000 cc or so for bout a hunnert bucs. Putcha a pully whare the sprokit iz an mayk hay whyl the son shinz!



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here, try this

06-21-2003 16:47:51




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 Re: Engine-driven baler in reply to Bernie, 06-21-2003 07:10:28  
i learned to double clutch baling the backswath with a 9n when i was about 10 years old. It can be done.



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TP from Central PA

06-21-2003 14:34:38




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 Re: Engine-driven baler in reply to Bernie, 06-21-2003 07:10:28  
Should be an interesting set-up to say the least! I would have probably sold the tractor and got a bigger one, but you sound like your up for a challenge.



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paul

06-21-2003 12:10:54




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 Re: Engine-driven baler in reply to Bernie, 06-21-2003 07:10:28  
That's gonna be awkward - doable, but awkward.

Have you considered putting a Wisconsin V-4 on it? Running 3 engines to bale hay is a lot of stuff to keep running.....

--->Paul



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Bernie

06-21-2003 12:28:41




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 Re: Re: Engine-driven baler in reply to paul, 06-21-2003 12:10:54  
Yes, I have, and I have one that could be made to run. The trouble is I have some problem keeping the front wheels down now and a heavier engine that near the front placed nearer the tractor because of being wider would make it worse. I have three extra 2-cyls. I should be able to get one running without major work. Thanks for the reply.



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ErnieD

06-21-2003 17:46:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Engine-driven baler in reply to Bernie, 06-21-2003 12:28:41  
I would look in the junk yard for a 14T with a thrower, there is a offset for the wheel that will allow you to move the wheel on the baler forward changing the balance point. that would allow you to use the V-4.

You could load the tires of your N to increas the weight.



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markct

06-21-2003 14:03:53




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 Re: Re: Re: Engine-driven baler in reply to Bernie, 06-21-2003 12:28:41  
yea but wont 2, 2 cylinder engines weigh more than one 4 cylinder engine? with a 4 cyl ya only gota keep one carb,ign, etc working



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