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Ground Speed When Baling Question

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Bill

07-03-2003 13:58:11




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Firstly, much thanks for putting-up with my questions - I am really learning from you folks.

My question is - what gear and range do you typically use when square baling? A friend of mine had a record (for him) first cutting and with his 50hp tractor and a NH 276, he was only able to travel in 1st gear, low range. Even then he said he had to work the clutch to allow the baler to clear from time to time. I am courious as to what is your experience.

I assume that one can go somewhat faster with a round baler?

Thanks in advance!
Bill

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larry

07-05-2003 06:02:20




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 Re: Ground Speed When Baling Question in reply to Bill, 07-03-2003 13:58:11  
we have a 273 i prefer big windrows to save on fuel [less fuel used raking vs baling]but in first crop single windrows was in first with 1650 oliver but same tractor and baler we baled at 9 mph with light windrows and it was fun stacking the wagon it all depends on size of windrow and the new hollands make a better bale in big windrows i try and adjust speed to how fast the pickup will take it



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David Berger

07-06-2003 07:13:50




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 Re: Re: Ground Speed When Baling Question in reply to larry, 07-05-2003 06:02:20  
Wow 9 mph? thats pretty fast. Neighbor of mine has a 273 as well but we couldn't go 9 with it.Our windrows are so big that we have to back up the baler so it dosent clog it.Thick first cutting I guess.



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Roger

07-03-2003 21:01:47




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 Re: Ground Speed When Baling Question in reply to Bill, 07-03-2003 13:58:11  
One of the best methods is to count the number of
strokes the plunger makes to form a bale. The last
square baler I used ( JD 214) took between 12 to
14 strokes to make a good bale. This is something
you will have to learn on your baler. I found if
you did this at the start of every field it helped
make better bales.



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Strokes

07-03-2003 21:00:23




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 Re: Ground Speed When Baling Question in reply to Bill, 07-03-2003 13:58:11  
JD 24T baler manual says to adjust ground speed so you get one bale every so many strokes of the plunger. I think it was something like 10-12 strokes. Check the manual for your baler and see what it says.



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TomH

07-03-2003 18:03:59




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 Re: Ground Speed When Baling Question in reply to Bill, 07-03-2003 13:58:11  
In theory, the pickup should just lift the hay, not pull it backward. So your ground speed should match the pickups fingers. Faster and you'll probably have a jam, but then it might jam anyway, so I usually end up a little slower...



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paul

07-03-2003 17:44:44




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 Re: Ground Speed When Baling Question in reply to Bill, 07-03-2003 13:58:11  
Bigger windrow = slower speed. There is no answer to your question. I prefer a big windrow, slower speed, less trips with the baler. To each their own.

A modern round baler you can drive like crazy, but they do actually much prefer small windrows! Remember you have to sop to tie & eject each bale too.

--->Paul



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Hugh MacKay

07-03-2003 19:38:44




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 Re: Re: Ground Speed When Baling Question in reply to paul, 07-03-2003 17:44:44  
Paul: I know what you mean, drive the country side you can see where all of those guys have been driving like crazy round baling. I always maintain they are leaving 20% of the hay so to be sure and have a crop next time. My dad called it baling on the halves, half in the barn and half for fertility. Once you start over driving your pickup, you loose hay under pickup and because you turned around to make sure the pickup is still turning you miss a lot of hay on sides. Doesn't matter whether its round or square bales. Nothing beats 3, 4, or 5 mph.

Put a tractor with enough clearence under it and you can bale big windrows with a round baler. I used a Farmall 560D with 16.9x38 on rear, and a 1/8 steel sheet under tractor so hay would flow, without catching. A lot of guys talk about needing 100+ hp on a round baler. Personally all I could see my 1066 did on round baler was burn more fuel, it certainly didn't bale more hay. My 1066 was set narrower tread for duals and with heavier chassis it didn't have clearence on 20.8 tires as 560 did with 16.9 tires.

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Roy in UK

07-04-2003 03:55:56




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 Re: Re: Re: Ground Speed When Baling Question in reply to Hugh MacKay, 07-03-2003 19:38:44  
There does seem a lot of "overkill".... I ran my JD550 big round baler behind a 78hp Renault and she played with it, Up hill and down dale, making lovely tight 5' bales. I have followed a 17' combine, baling really thick swaths of straw, at 5mph, but I hear on the grapevine that these newer JD round balers take more hp and yet the bales are no where near as good...'Go figure'. Yes, as you say some 'idiots' do go far to fast and leave half of it behind!

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Dick in Ore..

07-03-2003 17:35:25




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 Re: Ground Speed When Baling Question in reply to Bill, 07-03-2003 13:58:11  
Hi Bill,,

It's really pretty simple.. Just listen to your tractor and listen to your baler.. If it's working too hard, slow down, before you shear a pin or break something.. Also learn to watch your windrow so you can slow down before the larger parts hit the pickup of the baler. I find the most important thing is to listen to your machines.



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Jim.UT

07-03-2003 17:19:12




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 Re: Ground Speed When Baling Question in reply to Bill, 07-03-2003 13:58:11  
I bale in 1st gear and due to the lack of live pto, sometimes I bale in neutral! So my speed range is probably from 0 to 3 mph. As Roy stated below, it all depends. You ground speed is not a critical factor like it is with using a sickle mower. You have to tailor your speed to conditions.

Good luck, be safe and have fun!



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Hugh MacKay

07-03-2003 16:09:06




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 Re: Ground Speed When Baling Question in reply to Bill, 07-03-2003 13:58:11  
Bill: Depending on conditions both of hay and equipment anywhere between 0 mph and 8 mph. That should cover them all round and square.



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Roy in UK

07-03-2003 14:43:40




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 Re: Ground Speed When Baling Question in reply to Bill, 07-03-2003 13:58:11  
Hi Bill, "How long is a piece of string?"
There is no easy answer to your question, it all depends on the thickness of the windrow, how heavy or light the crop is, whether the crop is as dry as burnt toast, or a bit damp as it is early in the morning or late in the evening because of dew....there are so many variables to consider. All I can suggest is that you go into the field, preferably when the crop is FIT for baling, nice and dry..... put the P.T.O. in gear, rev her up to 540 , select 1st gear,drive forward into the crop, get used to everything, then if you think your baler would go up a gear, try it.....and so on until you feel that the baler is working OK without been overloaded....You may find that you can change up a gear when you hit a light part of the crop, conversely you might have to drop a gear if the windrows suddenly become thicker. In a nutshell... an ounce of practice is worth a ton of theory. There is nothing like experience.
If you have never baled before it would be an idea to get someone to have a round or two with you who has done quite a bit of baling,while you get used to everything. Thats how I learnt, from my dear old dad, rest his soul.

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