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How Heavy Are Your Square Bales?

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Bill

07-09-2003 13:23:15




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Around my neck of the woods, folks are always bagging a 150 lb deer and baling 60 lb square bales. I don’t think we have ever had deer so heavy and a friend I use to help bale made it his goal to crank out 35ish lb bales of hay. For someone such as myself who is hopelessly out of shape, his 65-year-old dad and who ever the girl friend of his was at the time, those easy to handle bales were a blessing!

My question is – how heavy are you folks making your bales, especially if you are handling all of them by hand?

I question the weight of some of these deer weights, but I have also lifted some pretty heavy bales for other folks too – and they are not stretching it! I also think that the folks I know who are cranking out backbreaking bales simply do not know how to adjust the bale size to a lower weight. Soooo, my second question is when and why would you really want 60+ lb square bales?

Thanks in advance!
Bill

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David

07-10-2003 14:07:40




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 Re: How Heavy Are Your Square Bales? in reply to Bill, 07-09-2003 13:23:15  
Around here the best price is paid by horse owners, many of whom are women and children who prefer 45# or smaller bales. Buyers only think in terms of price per bale and you can't get them to realize that they get more hay in a denser bale which should be worth more and will last longer. That being said I have to bale dense 50-55# 36" bales to pick up with a New Holland bale wagon. To save the hand labor I'd rather give them more hay for the same money.

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Wayne in Pa

07-10-2003 17:25:25




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 Re: Re: How Heavy Are Your Square Bales? in reply to David, 07-10-2003 14:07:40  
David,
How do you like your NH bale wagon?
I am going have to do something about handleing hay with less labor and I am not sure about to do. Thanks. Wayne



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kyhayman

07-12-2003 20:52:21




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 Re: Re: Re: How Heavy Are Your Square Bales? in reply to Wayne in Pa, 07-10-2003 17:25:25  
I have to run heavier bales for the same reason. Been using NH bale wagons for 6 years now. Learning curve is pretty steep for about 3 years.

I had a 1010, sold it and got a 1034. Wish I had a 1033 instead. Built a shed on the side of a tobacco barn to dump in, ugly as all get out but only spent $1800 on it and it holds 2000 bales. Cut up my tobacco barns 2 years ago for more dump space. Can put up 600 per day with no help or 1200 per day if I get my dad to run the baler so I can rake and then just stack. Call me paranoid but I just cant bring myself to leave hay outside on the ground. By hand ricking the sheds of the barns (not enough overhead to dump) I can put 7000 inside now. Try to put up 10,000 per year so I have to move some hay this time of year. May build another building and try to get up to 20-25,000 probably get a self propelled then.

You cant make a bale too tight for them. I used to run a 38" bale sold on a 50# guarenteed weight. My weight was getting up in the 60'so I dropped back to a 36". Setting slipped on my baler last week and I dropped 300 40" bales before I caught it, they were monsters. My scale goes to 90# and they topped it.

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Ghostrider

07-11-2003 05:58:43




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 Re: Re: Re: How Heavy Are Your Square Bales? in reply to Wayne in Pa, 07-10-2003 17:25:25  
I love my Balewagon. It's the smaller model, a 1010 which holds 56 bales. I talked my father in law into a 1033, and they love it. It holds 105 bales(I think). They can be a bit tricky on hillsides. You need a pretty dense bale, and a chute to turn the bales on their sides. I think the new holland chute works on most balers. They still make new bale wagons, and there are places on the net that specialize in bale wagons. I never had a barn big enough to stack into, but it sure saves alot of picking up work! Usually had a few spectators when I used it!

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Wayne in Pa

07-10-2003 17:20:50




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 Re: Re: How Heavy Are Your Square Bales? in reply to David, 07-10-2003 14:07:40  
David,
How do you like your NH bale wagon?
I am going have to do something about handleing hay with less labor and I am not sure about to do. Thanks. Wayne



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JOEinMO

07-09-2003 17:41:27




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 Re: How Heavy Are Your Square Bales? in reply to Bill, 07-09-2003 13:23:15  
Just finished 1/2 my field and got 665 square bales,, most around 60lbs,, that makes a good stack in the barn, last year, my wife helped when I was working and pulled the old 14t out and baled before I got home, she had it all done,, it was late and looking like rain so I loaded it up, I thought I was out of shape,, they were heavy,, I was telling people that they seemed they were 90+ pounds, I was accused of exergratting, so I weighed them,, sure enough they were 95lbs,,and found out later, they were not fully cured and moldy,, so they became mulch and runoff.

I also remember when I was younger (about 25 years ago) hauling hay,, I got paid .05 per bale, one local farmer always cranked it down to weigh them down,, and we always opened it up to get more bales...

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RayP(MI)

07-09-2003 17:29:14




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 Re: How Heavy Are Your Square Bales? in reply to Bill, 07-09-2003 13:23:15  
We try to keep ours about 50-60#, firm enough to hold their shape in stacks, and on the wagon, yet small enough to be easily movable by smaller guys like myself! In the "olden days" they used to bag potatoes and grain in 100# sacks, and handle them all day - those guys must have been far stronger than I'll ever be. (Didn't weigh my first deer when it went into the butcher, but I carried out 183# of wrapped, packaged meat- I got no idea what he weighed on the hoof, but darned near killed me dragging him out the woods!) Been looking for another like that for over 25 years!

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buickanddeere

07-09-2003 16:33:08




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 Re: How Heavy Are Your Square Bales? in reply to Bill, 07-09-2003 13:23:15  
A previously mentioned the tight heavy bales stack better, less trips and are less inclined to bounce off the wagon. A heavy loads bounces less on rough ground. Hay mows are less liable to sag and roll out onto the barn floor. A Deere baler generally makes a better bale all other factor equal. A 150 lb field dressed buck is typical, big ones 200lb and the occasional bruiser at 240lb around here. Deer are larger in colder northern areas that have less population and in-breeding. Sackastewan bucks are average at 225lb dressed.

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paul

07-10-2003 12:43:33




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 Re: Re: How Heavy Are Your Square Bales? in reply to buickanddeere, 07-09-2003 16:33:08  
Yea, when dad was driving the tractor, & I was trying to stack bales.... Oy. Was real hard to keep the straw bales on the rack, they were so light (30-40lbs) they would rattle right off.

I learned to go out & rake the straw, make big windrows so he had to drive slow with the baler! ;)

--->Paul



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Roy in UK

07-10-2003 05:38:26




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 Re: Re: How Heavy Are Your Square Bales? in reply to buickanddeere, 07-09-2003 16:33:08  
Amen to that,
I knew of a guy over here who used to go contracting with a John Deere 459 baler, ( which is the biggest JD 'small square' baler sold in UK ) and he told me he used to average 40 bales / ton in straw.



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mike in mn

07-09-2003 15:43:20




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 Re: How Heavy Are Your Square Bales? in reply to Bill, 07-09-2003 13:23:15  
Here in north central mn we like to bale our bales as heavy as we can handle. that being around that 70lb. range. just to get the hay up and off the field. and Yes the hay is fit to bale.



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John51

07-09-2003 14:40:41




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 Re: How Heavy Are Your Square Bales? in reply to Bill, 07-09-2003 13:23:15  
We always baled 36 inch bales and dry hay would weigh about 45 pounds. Stacked nice because they were 18 inches wide, so it was easy to crisscross them to stack. Some had heavier bales but it was often because the hay wasn't dry.



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paul

07-09-2003 13:54:22




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 Re: How Heavy Are Your Square Bales? in reply to Bill, 07-09-2003 13:23:15  
1. Bigger bale uses less twine - I'm cheap. But you would be surprised just how much more twine you are using!

2. Stacking - certain size bale works better on the hayrack, for certain unloading devices, etc. - whatever the weight, size can matter.

3. I used to load every bale from the baler on the hayrack, & stack everyone in the drive-in barn mow. I can handle 60lb bales for about 4 hayracks in a day (500 loaded, 350 unloaded - or so - 5 high on the rack, 4 high in the barn - second layer of 4 I drop in an elevator & restack on top). It is FAR less trips walking across the hayrack & barn floor with 850 trips @ 60lbs, than 1700 trips with 30 lbs. I would wear out on the smaller bales, couldn't do it. Dad never did want to help much, & my wife is happy driving the tractor, but can't handle the bales much. (I have a bale basket now, so only handle the bales unloading - but have to carry them farther to get in the barn.)

4. A good 60lb bale is nice & tight, while a smaller bale has a tendency to be light, loose, variable size - or maybe I'm just not adjusting the baler right... ;)

5. If you sell them, buyers have certain expectations. Some horse owners might pay you the same for a light bale they can handle - good deal for you - but others will question the small bales & you will lose a bit on it.

6. No right or wrong, just how it is for me. :)

--->Paul

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Jim.UT

07-09-2003 13:46:33




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 Re: How Heavy Are Your Square Bales? in reply to Bill, 07-09-2003 13:23:15  
60 lb bales = 33 bales per ton. Around here hay is usually priced by the ton, so if we keep our bale size to 60 lbs it's easy to figure how many tons we are selling. If I charged a full ton price for 33 bales and they only weighed 50 lbs, I'd be short-changing the customer.



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Tom

07-10-2003 10:46:51




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 Re: Re: How Heavy Are Your Square Bales? in reply to Jim.UT, 07-09-2003 13:46:33  
Jim, you'd have to give the customer 7 more bales, thats all. ;)



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paul

07-10-2003 12:36:37




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 Re: Re: Re: How Heavy Are Your Square Bales? in reply to Tom, 07-10-2003 10:46:51  
I don't know how he can sell hay that way! It would be a disaster around this part of the world.

Either you sell so much per bale, & the customer looks at the bales & says ok;

Or you run the loads over a scale, & sell by the ton.

Here, you just could not sell by the ton, & deliver so & so many bales. All customers would be complaining, as you are giving them two options - they can complain about not enough bales, or not enough weight. Ugh. Every one would be complaining. Would not be pretty for the seller.

Just sell by the bale,leave weight out of it! Then they can accept the bales, or not. Up to them. Less complaining.

Now, I'm not complaining about Jim's methods. ;) Just chatting about how things work or don't work here. ;)

--->Paul

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Joel Harman

07-11-2003 12:45:58




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: How Heavy Are Your Square Bales? in reply to paul, 07-10-2003 12:36:37  
That is what is interesting about America. "Here" is different from "there".

Here, the PNW, hay is sold either way. No bale throwers, but rain isn't a concern like is is "there".

All what one is used to.



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