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Allis Chalmers 'vintage' round baler

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Al L. in Wisc.

08-06-2003 12:35:59




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I am wondering if there is any value/interest in the old Allis Chalmers round balers? My dad has a '46 B and an unstyled '37 WC that I have ribbed him about needing something to pull. I know of four setting in various weed patches and wouldn't really care if they operate, just like to see tractors O-+---o linked to some machinery. It also helps preserve more of the past. I paid the exorbitant sum of $35 (according to my dad) for my John Deere model L spreader so my Ford 2N had something to pull. Then there is also the photographer in me that see great photo opportunities with his tractor/equipment as I have used my stuff for. Anyone want to see his WC and B in the archives? My tractor/spreader? I like to pose them with no intruding obstructions in the background. Thanks for letting me ramble.
From the farm, Al

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Ted

08-07-2003 13:39:07




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 Re: Allis Chalmers 'vintage' round baler in reply to Al L. in Wisc., 08-06-2003 12:35:59  
I grew up on a dairy farm with a round baler. We had a 1937 WC that had been modified with a hand clutch, reportedly out of a "U". This made it possible to stop and go for the twine winding operation. We bailed thousands of bales every summer.

This was long before the advent of video games or farm kids going to town for recreation during the summer but I still hated that baler because it kept me in the field day after day. First off, my folks dairy farmed with no hired help. The baler was designed for one-man operation with the rain shedding bales suited for leaving in the feld for a few days or even a few weeks before being picked up and hauled to the barn. Of course they got wet in the field. Often, I was assigned the task of "turning the bales" so the bottom area would dry before the bale was picked up. You can imagine the number of games I created running at the bales and kicking them into a roll, standing on them and shifting my weight to one side to make them roll, standing them on end, rolling them down the side hill. You name it, if a kid could do it to or with a round bale, I figured that out and did it.

Another unpleasant task involved poking the loose end of the twine into the bale. Allis, or somebody in the aftermarket world, actually made a bale hook type tool for this very purpose. I would spend hours walking the field from bale to bale poking twine and dreaming of growing up and being anything but a farmer, and hating that damned round baler.

Oh how I hated that Allis baler and begged for a square baler that could place the bales directly onto the wagaon. No more walking the fields for hours on end baking in the hot sun.

The plus side of round bales for a little tyke came during feeding. I was not strpong enough to lift a bale but I could roll them over to the hole in the floor of the haymow and drop them down into the barn and then roll them over to the feed manger.

So how do I get my hands on one. I see them sitting in the weeds and keep telling myself to stop and make an offer. Does anyone know how difficult it is to get belts for them. I seem to recall if you made one up from belt stock, it was almost impossible to match the length so that they baled evenly.

By the way, I like the idea of using one of these items as a parade vehicle. I wonder it there would be a way to install an engine in the baling vchanmber and turn it into a self propelled road unit. I know a guy who has a self propelled manure spreader.

I am also looking for an unstyled WC.

located in southwest Minnesota.

ted

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Jerry (AL)

08-07-2003 17:00:46




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 Re: Re: Allis Chalmers 'vintage' round baler in reply to Ted, 08-07-2003 13:39:07  
Where I grew up in Jackson County, Alabama, there was a lot of limestone rock mountains and snakes galore. Where we lived and cut hay was right against the mountain. The first thing I was told was never to pick up a bale without kicking it over first. Many times I have found snakes under them. I have also found tails sticking out of bales. I developed a kick and jump move. They were bad snakes too like 6 foot diamond backs. They loved to hunt the rabbits and mice in the hay fields. You would always kill several each summer with the sickle mower.

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Rick

08-07-2003 05:29:34




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 Re: Allis Chalmers 'vintage' round baler in reply to Al L. in Wisc., 08-06-2003 12:35:59  
I have two of the units if anyone interested,both very good shape. Rick



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JMS/MN

08-06-2003 23:33:45




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 Re: Allis Chalmers 'vintage' round baler in reply to Al L. in Wisc., 08-06-2003 12:35:59  
Posts by Jerry and Jim: the baler did not cause the injuries- Each one got caught because they did not shut off the pto, and went to work on the baler. There are very few real farm accidents- the majority are caused by mistakes by the operator.



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Jerry (AL)

08-07-2003 17:05:21




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 Re: Re: Allis Chalmers 'vintage' round baler in reply to JMS/MN, 08-06-2003 23:33:45  
I'm sure you are 100% right on that. As a young boy, it made a lasting impression to see the guy standing at the front door with blood dripping off a shredded sleeve and a hole where the arm was jerked off. The doctor said he went into shock or he would have bled to death. I guess it only takes a second of inattention no matter what we are doing to end up in the ground.



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JMS/MN

08-08-2003 00:00:57




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 Re: Re: Re: Allis Chalmers 'vintage' round baler in reply to Jerry (AL), 08-07-2003 17:05:21  
Rather gratifying to see your positive response to my post about 'real' farm accidents. Too many people think it is the result of poor machine design, etc. when I think a bit of common sense and simply slowing down, thinking about it, would prevent so many senseless injuries and deaths. Machines have no common sense, don't care if it is daylight or not, will pull you in when operating at idle. Think about this- we are weaker than one horsepower- that 15 hp engine at idle has more torque than we can handle- what about 80, 150, etc at idle? What a waste of valuable human life!

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mj

08-06-2003 19:22:22




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 Re: Allis Chalmers 'vintage' round baler in reply to Al L. in Wisc., 08-06-2003 12:35:59  
third party image

Here's one.



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Jerry (AL)

08-06-2003 17:59:26




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 Re: Allis Chalmers 'vintage' round baler in reply to Al L. in Wisc., 08-06-2003 12:35:59  
I grew up on a small farm in north Alabama growing corn and cotton. I remember my dad had two B's. I've plowed a lot of cotton and corn with a B one row cultivator. I remember my dad saying raising that cultivator would build my muscles. It didn't take long to figure out that you had to start it up before it came to a stop and it was a lot easier. One B had hand brakes and the other foot brakes. the one with the foot pedals had a lift i think but it never worked.

I remember the wheels would fall off one routinely. The lugs would spin and bam off it came and it would scare the bejesus out of me. He had me plowing cotton when I was a little over 10.

I hauled a lot of hay as a teenager that was baled with the AC round baler for the neighbor. The bales were about 50-60 pounds apiece. I remember they were dangerous. The fellow had his arm jerked out of his socket at the shoulder when he got his arm in it. I remember the fellow walked about 1/2 mile to the house and asked my dad to take him to the hospital. He made it but barely.

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Jim Snow

08-06-2003 20:18:53




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 Re: Re: Allis Chalmers 'vintage' round baler in reply to Jerry (AL), 08-06-2003 17:59:26  
Brother lost his arm in one. Pulled it with a WD twine needle dropped but twine didn't he shut off pto but didn't get it all the way disengaged Climbed up on conveyer to refeed twine pto engaged only thing that saved his life was that tractor was idiling & it killed it.



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buck

08-06-2003 17:58:24




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 Re: Allis Chalmers 'vintage' round baler in reply to Al L. in Wisc., 08-06-2003 12:35:59  

Never thought about your approach before but those old balers could be easily converted to a rickshaw type people transporter. Bet it would get quite a bit of attention in a parade, Might have to work on that. thanks for the thought. Just to pull around.



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Rob Border

08-06-2003 18:34:58




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 Re: Re: Allis Chalmers 'vintage' round baler in reply to buck, 08-06-2003 17:58:24  
I remember a neighbor of a farm that I used to visit as a kid had an AC round baler. About all I remember is it looked like something used for railroad maintenance and I seem to recall it had a bell that rang (I assume to tell the operator the bale was ready to tie) I saw a field about 10-15 years ago around here that had a bunch of those bales in it. The thought crossed my mine at the time to check it out but I never did bother to go find the owner.

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Rauville

08-07-2003 04:23:13




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 Re: Re: Re: Allis Chalmers 'vintage' round baler in reply to Rob Border, 08-06-2003 18:34:58  
There is a stretch of Interstate Highway right-of-way north of here that gets baled with one of these every year. What a surprise to be driving along...and see hundreds of little round bales laying there. Like traveling back in time!



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