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Anyone ever use a grain binder?

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kevin

08-30-1999 17:08:22




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Ever use a grain binder and what is one worth? Are they ground drive only, or is PTO drive available? Comments please.




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Ron

09-01-1999 15:08:07




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 Re: Anyone ever use a grain binder? in reply to kevin, 08-30-1999 17:08:22  
My Dad had a 10 ft John Deere PTO drive that I helped with in the 1940s and 1950s. He ran it from the binder position (remote control to the tractor - a McCormick Deering 22-36 on steel) and talk about being busy! Start and stop and steer the tractor, adjust height of platform, height and fore/aft of the reel, position of the bundle butt-er, dump the bundle carrier at the row lines etc, etc. Seemed like there were a 1000 grease zerks on it - I helped grease it many times! But it worked good and cut massive amounts of acres for its time.

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B.C.

08-31-1999 06:16:42




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 Re: Anyone ever use a grain binder? in reply to kevin, 08-30-1999 17:08:22  
We used to use a John Deere ground drive some years back. A 9N with 3 1/2 cylinders would haul it around just fine...remember, they were made to be hauled by 2 or 3 horses. And note that the design operating speed therefore wouldn't be much more than a couple miles an hour.

Probably today one would be worth more as a static display than anything else, but ours always worked and tied just fine. The knotter was a whole lot like most balers.

If you get one, be sure that the canvases (conveyor belt thingies) are in decent shape. Be sure to take them off when you're done using it. Also, they used grease cups back then a lot more than zerk fittings.

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Titan

08-30-1999 17:19:56




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 Re: Anyone ever use a grain binder? in reply to kevin, 08-30-1999 17:08:22  
Yep! Used one just this year to bind some wheat for our local tractor club threshing demonstration. I don't know about other manufacturers, but IH made a pto drive binder.



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kevin

08-30-1999 19:44:20




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 Re: Re: Anyone ever use a grain binder? in reply to Titan, 08-30-1999 17:19:56  
What tractor did you use to run it? I am curious about hp requirements and weight of the binder you used. Thanks!



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Titan

08-31-1999 16:54:02




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 Re: Re: Re: Anyone ever use a grain binder? in reply to kevin, 08-30-1999 19:44:20  
Without being specific as to the breed of tractor, we used far more tractor than was required. Actually, a 300 or 350 IH with TA and independent power take off would have made a nice tractor.



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R.M. in Ont.

08-30-1999 17:42:30




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 Re: Re: Anyone ever use a grain binder? in reply to Titan, 08-30-1999 17:19:56  
I'm curious about how the knotter performed for
you. My cousin had a ground drive IH binder and
about 1 in every 20 sheaves it would tie a real
big one and then the next one would be real small.



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tom

09-04-1999 17:47:36




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 Re: Re: Re: Anyone ever use a grain binder? in reply to R.M. in Ont., 08-30-1999 17:42:30  
we use a IH binder pto with rubber bull wheel and rubber xport wheels. we pull it with a farmall M works real well never misses a knot, and very uniform size bundles. we do about 3 to 4 acres a year of oats and barley.



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Titan

08-31-1999 16:57:19




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 Re: Re: Re: Anyone ever use a grain binder? in reply to R.M. in Ont., 08-30-1999 17:42:30  
The knotter worked fine. I just bought the binder this summer, and I am only the third owner of it. It is in extremely good condition, and has never been stored outside for more than several days at a time. The paint you see is the original finish.



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Ernie

08-30-1999 17:55:50




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 Re: Re: Re: Anyone ever use a grain binder? in reply to R.M. in Ont., 08-30-1999 17:42:30  
I remember driving tractor for my dad cutting oats and millet with a ground drive IH. The knotter never gave a moments trouble. Take out 50' of twine and check the caliper. I betcha it wanders thick-thin. I bought a ball of binder twine for yard garbage and it is marginally better than what I am tossing.

That was 35 years ago, my dad tried to buy an almost new binder in '68, but $700 then was too much. Thanks for the memories.

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R.M. in Ont.

08-30-1999 19:51:47




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Anyone ever use a grain binder? in reply to Ernie, 08-30-1999 17:55:50  
We had an old Peter Hamilton binder here that we
used up until about 1954. I have no idea when it
was built but it always worked good. Parts were
non-existent so we scrounged parts here and there.
Had a Peter Hamilton grain drill, and a mower.
I'm not sure but I think IH McCormick Deering
took over the P H line because IHC mower parts
were identical.



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jakee

09-20-1999 16:42:37




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Anyone ever use a grain binder? in reply to R.M. in Ont., 08-30-1999 19:51:47  
they still use binders in the amish farm districs in ohio all the time pullrd by horses. we use to binde around 600 acers of wheat on the prprrie in n.dakota wen we got are first combine we took the nott tires of and used it as a windrower for all our land, also had a header machine that was used and latter made it into a windrower, all were mccormicks



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