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old spike tooth harrow need to fold???For busting

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Mark

07-28-2004 18:40:23




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I just bought 4 - 5ft section JD spike tooth harrows maybe not so good $200. I want to pull them behind my 15ft JD 310 disk to smooth out the black clay clods.Do I need to make all four section a 20 ft long harrow or three sections 15ft what works best??My farm has never been plowed chisel it first this weekend & wanted to plow nexted weekend,But these spike tooth harrow wont fold forward or back the handles are bent a bit & the bar that connects to the harrow bars too. Maybe I can cut the rusted bolts out & lay the bars flat & staraighten with my old sledge hammer!! They need to fold forward pointed toward the tractor to bust up the clods right.Should they fold back to drag home when I am finish too?

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Mark

07-29-2004 19:50:54




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 Re: old spike tooth harrow need to fold???For bus in reply to Mark, 07-28-2004 18:40:23  
Thanks everyone!!Wish I knew how to make an evener out of drill stem pipe?? Today I took all 4 apart & fixed three of them they work great. Had to go get one more for spare parts from the farm dealer he gave it to me.One more to fix. Here in central Texas my land hasn't been worked in fifty years this black clay.Has to be chisels first .Then disc it 5-6 time after each time I'll drag the old spike tooth out the next day,so I can plant some rye&wheat & oats mid sept-oct.I have a 23ft piece of 2-7/8 I built my fence out of left over just going to Weld short chains to each Harrow & one long end of pipe to pipe & a big clevis in center to drag it .Wish had a pitcure of an evener

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Oliver D

07-29-2004 09:29:06




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 Re: old spike tooth harrow need to fold???For bus in reply to Mark, 07-28-2004 18:40:23  
Does anyone else ever wonder what some people did before there were computers? Sat around and watched Green Acres I guess.



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Loren-MN

07-29-2004 09:01:12




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 Re: old spike tooth harrow need to fold???For bus in reply to Mark, 07-28-2004 18:40:23  
We have the same harrow I think you are describing. We just took a 2 1/2 steel well pipe and made a 15 ft. evener, and used 3 sections behind the 15 ft disk. Ours is the same as Oliver D explained. No adjustment levers. You reversed the sections to get a different angle on the spikes. Loren



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paul

07-29-2004 07:57:22




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 Re: old spike tooth harrow need to fold???For bus in reply to Mark, 07-28-2004 18:40:23  
I too don't quite follow the chisel, plow (???), disk series of operations. Seems you would _either_ chisel or plow, not both?

I would make a new evener to pull 3 sections behind the disk.

In local soil conditions (yellow clay) we got away from disks, and use field cultivators with a 2-3 rank spring tooth evener behind. Disks just pack it back down hard like it was. But different soils require different operations.

--->Paul

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Rick

07-29-2004 06:03:54




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 Re: old spike tooth harrow need to fold???For bus in reply to Mark, 07-28-2004 18:40:23  
Mark; If yo are plowing (moldboard) I used a harrogator harrow and did not use the disc. It will really break up the clods. Or use a disc mulcher. This unit has disc blades in front and vibra tines in middle and a big roller in the back. Both of thease units are for sale if that would help you out. I don't do tillage anymore. Rick



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Allan in NE

07-29-2004 05:36:42




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 Re: old spike tooth harrow need to fold???For bus in reply to Mark, 07-28-2004 18:40:23  
Mark,

You are going to chisel the ground before you plow it?????

Not following you on that one; or perhaps you have drastically different soils in your country. I just can’t imagine how this would ever work.

Allan



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txblu

07-29-2004 06:01:05




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 Re: Re: old spike tooth harrow need to fold???For in reply to Allan in NE, 07-29-2004 05:36:42  
In N. Tx, Houston Black Clay, we use a spike chisel (Hayme) (sp) made in Amarillo, Tx. is a good one. Has proportional number (to width of plow)of curved fingers with sorta sharp points that are perfect for sticking and going deep into the ground. Like a 9' will have 7 offset shanks. Work it over with that a couple of laps and come back with a rolling disc. Like to use disc harrows with lots of weight added (concrete, old eng.blocks, dirt boxes). Couple of laps with that and you are ready for the spike tooth harrow to smooth it all out.

Don't use moldboards as they just get gummed up. The rolling discs have scrapers on each disc and the Hayme is self cleaning.

Teeth go backwards and use whatever width your tractor will let you.

Mark

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Bill

07-28-2004 22:57:39




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 Re: old spike tooth harrow need to fold???For bus in reply to Mark, 07-28-2004 18:40:23  
We had a 4 section JD drag harrow like you describe. The evener pulled all 4 sections, or you could take off the outer tubing and brace rod, and pull just 2 sections. You couldn't pull 3 sections with the original evener, you had to make another one to pull 3. We only had the original JD evener that came with the harrow. Nothing worked better than the drag harrow to get the seedbeds in shape in so many different field conditions. They're so simple, no bearings, etc. and required almost zero maintenance. But they wear out, and the teeth get shorter and shorter. I suspect yours would bust clods better, but the teeth are probably worn some. In severe conditions we used to put an old truck tire on each section to hold it down better, that helped some. When we moved ours, we always put it on a trailer to haul it since we would have been moving it over gravel or paved roads for several miles. I wish JD still made these harrows. I'd have a brand new one, no questions asked.

To get yours to adjust, you probably just need to straighted out the linkages, etc. Oil up the adjustment handles and pivot areas when you go to use the harrow, they will work much better then. Our harrow had springs, if yours does, be sure they are installed. I don't remember that you could adjust the teeth any farther than perpendicular with the ground, but maybe you could. The teeth pitch adjustment is great since you can set the teeth for less dragging when you have a lot of straw, etc. to work through, or when it might be a little damp.

Good luck with your harrow. I bet you'll find a lot of use for it.

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Oliver D

07-28-2004 18:51:36




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 Re: old spike tooth harrow need to fold???For bus in reply to Mark, 07-28-2004 18:40:23  
Pointed forward at about 45 degree angle, that's how I pull mine. When I want to transport it I just hook on to the other side of it so they point backward.



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txblu

07-29-2004 06:02:57




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 Re: Re: old spike tooth harrow need to fold???For in reply to Oliver D, 07-28-2004 18:51:36  
My JD 20 footer comes with a built in tongue and hydraulic lift with tires. Point backwards; at least that's the way John thought they ought to point. Lets crud (grass weeds) slip off the tynes.

Mark



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paul

07-28-2004 21:50:24




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 Re: Re: old spike tooth harrow need to fold???For in reply to Oliver D, 07-28-2004 18:51:36  
Never saw a spike tooth harrow that went more than vertical, & rotated to the rear flat. Pointing forward, all you'd get is a side-rake effect around here. Interesting.

--->Paul



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