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Allan in NE

08-12-2004 15:28:23

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Hi Guys,

I was reading the post about the pasture reseeding and got to wondering how many here have pleasured the experience of using a butcher knife on an alfalfa-bloated critter to save 'er/him/it?

Allan

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08-13-2004 06:32:15

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Re: Was just wondering in reply to Allan in NE, 08-12-2004 15:28:23

i,ve used kerosene for clover bloat. put some in a coke bottle or something similar, open mouth and pour it down, in a few minutes a big burp. has worked for me.

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Coloken

08-13-2004 06:15:19

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Re: Was just wondering in reply to Allan in NE, 08-12-2004 15:28:23

Yep. Pocket knife. Dads instructions were to do it only as last resort when she goes down. BTW, I understand the death is not stranglation, but that the heart is stoped from the pressure on it. I acually brought one cow "back to life" by jumping on her chest to revive her. After sticking. Did this twice, but still lost her. Was real nasty alfalfa hay and not enough gas would release.

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Allan in NE

08-13-2004 06:48:32

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Re: Was just wondering in reply to Coloken, 08-13-2004 06:15:19

Hi Ken,

Boy, I've never seen one saved after they go down. When they are frothing at the mouth, staggering and can't seem to breathe a guy has to poke 'em in one heck of a hurry.

Nasty stuff, that alfalfa, but boy! does it ever make 'em throw the milk!

When I green chopped alfafa, I would "ease" them into it gradually for 3 or 4 days. After that, they could just have 100 % free choice and seemed to do just fine.

Always had trouble with that "first taste" of the stuff.

Allan

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Bob/wis

08-13-2004 05:28:12

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Re: Was just wondering in reply to Allan in NE, 08-12-2004 15:28:23

Our vet uses mineral oil for bloat. Someing of the fact of the slickness of it makes them bleach. So, we usally keep a good supply of veggie oil on hand. Same effect as mineral oil but cheaper. Stick the bottle in there mouth and pour it down. Then stand back and plug your nose. Works good. Also had the vet stick a few cows one week becasue she was new and did not know any better. Another vet told use the cause and how to stop it. Green ear cron and barley in a cows belly makes for a real nice brew.
Bob/wis

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BEN in KS

08-12-2004 20:57:47

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Re: Was just wondering in reply to Allan in NE, 08-12-2004 15:28:23

I used to use a 4 inch 12 guage needle. For added dramatic effect, light the gas escaping from the tube. Caution is advised if doing this near dry straw or hay! Makes a large blue flame, a real eye-opener for non-farm folks!

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Tim Shaw

08-12-2004 20:16:55

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Re: Was just wondering in reply to Allan in NE, 08-12-2004 15:28:23

I've heard of the feedlot cowboys riding up to a bloated steer and sticking them with a pocket knife but I have never witnessed it firsthand. Years ago we had a steer that was a chronic bloater and Dad put a screw in trocar(sp?) in him and he lived for a long time. Once in a while it would become plugged and you would have to clean the darn thing out but he got so he would let you walk right up to him and do it.

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Don-WI

08-12-2004 19:31:50

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Re: Was just wondering in reply to Allan in NE, 08-12-2004 15:28:23

Never had to go that far. Ocassionally on a calf we would stick a hose down their throat and push on their belly, pushes the gas out. Other wise we have a jumbo bottle of antacid from Sam's club.
Donovan from Wisconsin

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08-12-2004 18:33:32

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Re: Was just wondering in reply to Allan in NE, 08-12-2004 15:28:23

Hi, according to a Vet the cure is to get a solution of water and laundry soap into the cow's stomach by sticking a pipe down their throat.

Laundry soap has an anti-foaming agent and that stops the formation of the gas bubbles. It is the gas bubbles that causes the bloating of the stomach to piont that it presses against the heart and lungs causing death. If cows could FART
they would not bloat.

Yes, years ago cows broke into a field of second growth red clover and one became bloated and had to stick it with a knife before the Vet arrived.

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Roy in UK

08-12-2004 23:22:42

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Re: Was just wondering in reply to JB, 08-12-2004 18:33:32

British cows can fart honest! (They also can get bloat too)The 'Trocar and cannula' is the last resort but sometimes an anti bloat liquid from the vet will let them down. There are all sorts of remedies I have heard apart from the ones mentioned, including a good dose of bicarbonate of soda. One of the worst offenders apart from red clover is a potato stuck down the throat. Personally I never was too keen on feeding cattle stockfeed potatoes for that reason. If cattle are fed on spuds it is a lot better to chop em up first.

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ShepFL

08-12-2004 18:12:03

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Re: Was just wondering in reply to Allan in NE, 08-12-2004 15:28:23

Did that once. How about colic or bound up horse? Been on the back end of many a broom tail with 5 gal bucket of hot soapy water. Mineral oil down a tube thru the nose was Dad's job.

Normally would only happen in the dead of winter when water was so cold the horses refused to drink.

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kyhayman

08-12-2004 16:49:50

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Re: Was just wondering in reply to Allan in NE, 08-12-2004 15:28:23

Never used a butcher knife but have used a filleting knife and agarden hose before. I'm pretty paranoid about bloat, always use 'Bloatguard' in the mineral mix when grazing alfalfa. Had it happen on wet clover though.

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Michael Soldan

08-12-2004 15:33:31

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Re: Was just wondering in reply to Allan in NE, 08-12-2004 15:28:23

Allan , I have seen my Dad pour a pop bottle full of turpentine down a cows throat to save her from bloat and it works..an old wives tale that saved many an animal...I saw it more than once!...Mike in Exeter Ontario

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Allan in NE

08-12-2004 15:44:07

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Re: Was just wondering in reply to Michael Soldan, 08-12-2004 15:33:31

Hi Mike,

Yes, that's true, if you can get it down her before she goes down....after she is on her knees, she's a gonner because of strangulation.

Heck, you already knew that..... :>)

Allan

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Allan in NE

08-12-2004 15:43:51

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Re: Was just wondering in reply to Michael Soldan, 08-12-2004 15:33:31

Hi Mike,

Yes, that's true, if you can get it down her before she goes down....after she is on her knees, she's a gonner because of strangulation.

Heck, you already knew that..... :>)

Allan

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Allan in NE

08-12-2004 15:43:35

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Re: Was just wondering in reply to Michael Soldan, 08-12-2004 15:33:31

Hi Mike,

Yes, that's true, if you can get it down her before she goes down....after she is on her knees, she's a gonner because of strangulation.

Heck, you already knew that..... :>)

Allan

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