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agman

11-19-2004 17:54:59




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Seen the post below on baling cornstalks. How are the windrows prepared for baling. Do you take the chopper and spreader off the combine and dump the shucks in a windrow. Or do you mow the stalks after combining, then rake them. Seems the corn stalks would give the rake and baler pickup a pretty good beating. Even if you don't rake them and bale right behind the combine, wouldn't the stalks still be very hard on the baler pickup? I could see there being a lot of feed in the shucks, but seems the stalks would actually have a negative energy value. Also would think it would be very hard on the rubber rolls of my moco when mowing the stalks. Any ideas. If there is a good way to bale these I would be interested in giving it a try for my cows. Thanks.

Agman

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ChrisL

11-21-2004 20:14:23




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 Stover Harvest Silage in reply to agman, 11-19-2004 17:54:59  
OK it will take me a few days - maybe all week, but I will post some of my initial findings

I will put it in the Using your Tractor & Crop Talk forum since it is much less busy and won't disappear into the back pages near so quick.....

This stuff is really promising in my opinion.....



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Farmerboybill

11-20-2004 08:18:55




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 Re: baling cornstalks in reply to agman, 11-19-2004 17:54:59  
We've done it with a Vermeer 605 Super J with reasonable results. On the home farm, we used a Hesston Stackhand 10 stacker. You can pick one up at most auctions for sub-1000. The only time we used the Super J was on our other farm 12 miles away so we could actually haul the stover to the home farm. Kinda hard to haul a stack...

Our neighbor uses an Avco Cut/ditioner to make windrows for his 530 Deere but we just ran across the field without doing anything to it. It keeps some of the stover on the ground to prevent erosion but takes twice as long to make a bale. With the stacker, we skipped every other pass for the same reason.

We only used stover for bedding. The cattle ate what they wanted and laid on the rest. I prefer it over straw or old hay because it literally falls apart on its own when bedding the pens and is very easy to scoop back up at the end of winter with a material bucket on a skid steer.

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Delbert

11-20-2004 06:02:41




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 Re: baling cornstalks in reply to agman, 11-19-2004 17:54:59  
I have to agree with Allan put up a electric fence and let the cows have at it . But if you have to haul cows and water to them thats another story. But if it is close the fun of watching an old cow try to eat a ear of corn is worth all the trouble of putting them out there. And just the range to run on keeps them happy. I live in the eastern part of Kansas and people here don,t graze the stocks like they used to. Don,t under stand why they put those cows in a little pen and feed them hay. So much bromegrass around the edges of the fields and waterways so much waste. Anyway just an old guy remmebering how it was in the old country when people lived off the land and not the feed store and grocery store. Thanks for your time Delbert.

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Allan in NE

11-20-2004 06:10:09




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 Re: baling cornstalks in reply to Delbert, 11-20-2004 06:02:41  
Atta boy Delbert,

Nothin' will get your blood movin' any better than spendin' a day movin' a herd up to 9 or 10 miles across country to the next field.

Plus the feed!!!! My gosh, why waste all that feed?

Allan



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RickL

11-20-2004 00:55:32




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 Re: baling cornstalks in reply to agman, 11-19-2004 17:54:59  
It is very common around here to bale the stalks,I used to do anywhere from 300 to 500 of them.cattle and hogs both like them ate what wanted rest was bedding. I used the New Holland pipe chain balers then. Now I specialize in small square don't do the large round if don't have to.



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ChrisL

11-19-2004 20:49:08




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 Re: stover harvest in reply to agman, 11-19-2004 17:54:59  
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Of course noone arounf here does it this way YET, but this is what I do to experiment.....

I either use a sickle mower and cut the stalks then use my forage harvester to pick them up - or if I don't mind missing more I just run the forage harvester down the standing rows - I have better luck with the windrow pickup than the corn head -

I am learning a good process - still in the testing phase - but it does show promise....

I am learning what moisture levels to use, how the system works, what to do with the product, etc....

one nice thing about this way - the cobs that the cattle don't like - hardly ever get picked up - the stalks all get chopped (some in large pieces because i don't have a recutter screen installed at the moment)

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tim[in]

11-20-2004 14:17:51




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 Re: stover harvest in reply to ChrisL, 11-19-2004 20:49:08  
this is exactly what i was going to ask about doing. i wondered if the stalks would mold if they were very green and cause respiratory problems in a fairly enclosed barn or shed.maybe the corn head would work better if the corn was combined a little higher? make it easier to pick up the stalks. and wondered about chopping hay for my own use,not to sell.louis bromfield did it in the 40 +50s and dried the hay down in a small building with a fence underneath the hay . he used a fan to pull the air thru the hay . not pushing like on a grain bins. he said he had such good luck with it in his books. i have always wondered why more people didnt use it for their own hay.he tried it with different lengths of cutting and how long he left the hay in the field to dry.let us know how it goes.

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ChrisL

11-20-2004 20:42:31




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 Re: stover harvest in reply to tim[in], 11-20-2004 14:17:51  
wend me an email - I have a lot more info and ideas - it is one thing i like to experiment on - there are a lot of cornstalks.....

just take out the nospam and the period
cwlwrsn@iw.nospam.net



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tim[in]

11-21-2004 11:47:11




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 Re: stover harvest in reply to ChrisL, 11-20-2004 20:42:31  
the email came back no such person. maybe a link for us puter illiterate types! lol thanks tim



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Don-WI

11-21-2004 15:48:31




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 Re: stover harvest in reply to tim[in], 11-21-2004 11:47:11  
Take out the nospam in the address, it should work just fine then.



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tim[in]

11-20-2004 22:42:05




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 Re: stover harvest in reply to ChrisL, 11-20-2004 20:42:31  
actually i think everyone on here would like to hear the ideas and theories. that is the best thing about these forums. everybody gets to learn. most of the time people are having the same ideas or problems as someone who posts on here.. but if you want a email i will do that too! =)thanks again.



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paul

11-21-2004 08:58:18




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 Re: stover harvest in reply to tim[in], 11-20-2004 22:42:05  
Yea, what about the rest of us????? ;)

--->Paul



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K.B.-826

11-19-2004 20:17:48




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 Re: baling cornstalks in reply to agman, 11-19-2004 17:54:59  
Most guys bale them for bedding, but some guys feed them, too. I doubt they have much feed value, but cattle love them. You are right in thinking that they are hard on the baler. Not just the pick-up, but the belts. Ask your dealer how many belts they fix or sell this time of the year sometime.



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fixerupper

11-19-2004 19:07:42




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 Re: baling cornstalks in reply to agman, 11-19-2004 17:54:59  
When we had stock cows we baled hundreds of round bales of corn stalks and fed them to the cows in the winter. The best way is to grind the stalk bales and mix it with hay and in real cold weather some shelled corn can be thrown in for extra energy. It seems to do a good job of keeping the old girls alive and healthy. Sometimes we put one bale of stalks and one bale of hay side by side in the bale feeder and they both disappeared at about the same rate, but there was a lot of waste. Some round balers have stalk shredders right on them but it's kind of spendy to buy one set up like that. Some guys shred the stalks and then rake them into windrows and some use a shredder with a hood that directs the stalks into a windrow.

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Kelly C

11-19-2004 18:45:36




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 Re: baling cornstalks in reply to agman, 11-19-2004 17:54:59  
I thought people just baled it for bedding?
Alot do it around here. Never seen how though, just the bales in the field.



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Allan in NE

11-19-2004 18:23:50




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 Re: baling cornstalks in reply to agman, 11-19-2004 17:54:59  
AG,

Now, I know I'm a foolish old sot and completely out of touch with the new ways of doing things nowadays, but I gotta tell ya, I think baling cornstalks is about as far out of the realm of reality as you can get.

First off, how would a guy ever pick up the "good stuff"? Namely, those lost ears and shelled corn? This is what you're after.

For my money, take 2 hours, throw an electric fence around the field and turn the cattle in there. Makes one heck of a pasture! When they have that field slicked up, go on to the next.

Just my view and stated as such,

Allan

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paul

11-19-2004 21:40:55




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 Re: baling cornstalks in reply to Allan in NE, 11-19-2004 18:23:50  
Don't want the ears, nothing will get the kernals anyhow - not even grazing cows.

Want some good fiber/ filler & a bit of energy from the shucks & leaves.

Here in Minnesota, you are often combining until & after the first lasting snowfall. I happen to graze 1/4 of my stalks, but it's rare here - too much chance of snow covering them all, and then you are _really_ up a creek scambling for feed..... I suppose this is not a problem in your climate, but i feel real fortunate if I can graze until Thanksgiving, and it is very, very rare to make it until Christmas.

So, you run a flail chopper (common name is stalk chopper or shredder) after the combine, some have shrouding to form a windrow, most follow with a side or wheel rake, keep the windrow smallish, and go baling. Some do small squares, most round bale, a few are doing large squares now. The NH chain balers are real populare for this, less feeding problems on those. The newest round balers are pretty good at handling it too. The Stackhand loaf makers work really well for this.

The shredded stalks aren't all that hard on the baler. A few just follow the combine & collect the husks in the center rows without chopping, but that is hard on the pickup. And JD, maybe others, have a flail chopping attachment that goes on in front of the pickup of the round baler, all-in-one machine.

Then you have feed & bedding for the winter months. Relying on grazing is a risky venture - one year it lasted exactly 3 days after I got the wire up - we got a 20+ inch snow & that was it for the year, snow never went away.

--->Paul

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Allan in NE

11-20-2004 03:27:21




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 Re: baling cornstalks in reply to paul, 11-19-2004 21:40:55  
Hi Paul,

There it is again, that darned reginonal thing. Can't imagine 20" of snow and then it staying all winter. That would really be the exception here.

I've watched a lot of these guys "graze" those fields down 'til you'd swear there was nothing but dirt there. Renting out stalks is a big thing here.

Who'd a thunk it, :>)

Allan



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Leland

11-20-2004 15:21:07




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 Re: baling cornstalks in reply to Allan in NE, 11-20-2004 03:27:21  
Allen you want to see a field that needs about 100 girls grazing ,the one behind my house was 200+ bushel corn but so much is on ground they will be lucky to get 75-80 of it. And these guys have 9-10 other fields just like this,maybe they may start combining it some day.



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Delbert

11-20-2004 17:29:58




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 Re: baling cornstalks in reply to Leland, 11-20-2004 15:21:07  
Sounds like hog pasture to me hot wire it and let the pigs out.



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Leland

11-20-2004 19:24:16




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 Re: baling cornstalks in reply to Delbert, 11-20-2004 17:29:58  
Yeah but there is enough room in this field for plenty of cows and hogs,looks like somebody drove thru this field hardly a stalk left standing. So glad it's not mine but I do feel sorry for the guy that has to try and pick it.



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fixerupper

11-21-2004 20:13:21




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 Re: baling cornstalks in reply to Leland, 11-20-2004 19:24:16  
If you have hogs and cattle in the same field the hogs will take a few bites out of an ear and then leave it and the cattle won't touch it with the hog smell on it unless they are REAL hungry.



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paul

11-21-2004 08:52:57




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 Re: baling cornstalks in reply to Leland, 11-20-2004 19:24:16  
Pioneer corn?????

Have a peat slough here that grows good corn when it doesn't drown out. But if you get the wrong brand of corn in it, 30% is laying on the ground in fall.....

--->Paul



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Leland

11-21-2004 10:24:13




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 Re: baling cornstalks in reply to paul, 11-21-2004 08:52:57  
Paul this field is more like 50-60% on ground, and I belive he's also a decalb dealer. Wish I could down load a picture of then you could see for your self.



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paul

11-20-2004 06:41:32




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 Re: baling cornstalks in reply to Allan in NE, 11-20-2004 03:27:21  
The worst was the Holloween blizzard we had a decade ago. 30 inches of snow by the time that ended Staryed around until April. One _long_ winter..... Lot of crops didn't get harvested that year.

My critters are on their second week out there. I figure it was worth the effort if they get 7 days; really need to get 3 weeks to make it pay; and 4 weeks or more is really cool.

I try to plant a little oats with clover & turnips mixed in, and let them graze that earlier - but with crop rotation only really works every other year... These things are rare aound here, but gotta have some fun farming, can't _just_ be in it for the big bucks. ;)

It is interesting to see what is common or onheard of in other regions of the country. :)

--->Paul

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Tim(nj)

11-19-2004 18:37:21




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 Re: baling cornstalks in reply to Allan in NE, 11-19-2004 18:23:50  
Due to the physical location of some fields, putting cows in may not be possible. (3 miles from home, etc.) There"s no way to get the shelled corn off the ground mechanically, BUT, we had some success getting missed ears by using a Gehl 72 flail chopper (you know, the kind used for green-chop alfalfa) to collect the fodder. It sucked up a lot of missed ears along with stalks, leaves and husks, and everything got blown into either the feeder wagon with slant-bar sides or the chuck wagon, thence to the barnyard it went for the heifers. Didn"t get everything, but it got enough to be worthwhile. Made the goose hunters happy too. Mowed-stubble field with shelled corn very tempting for Canada geese.

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Tim(nj)

11-19-2004 18:23:39




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 Re: baling cornstalks in reply to agman, 11-19-2004 17:54:59  
Everyone I have seen do this uses a flail-type shredder, then a wheel rake before baling. I have a Mathews Company 9-E Rotary Scythe I use in grass hay that can also be used to shred 3 rows of stalks. It has adjustable deflectors on the back like a Haybine that allow windrowing or laying in a swath. I"ve never done cornstalks with it, but I"ve cut grain sorghum stalks for bedding. The flails break up the stems fairly well.

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kyhayman

11-19-2004 18:21:53




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 Re: baling cornstalks in reply to agman, 11-19-2004 17:54:59  
I tried a couple of times and rapidly discovered that the amount of damage made it cost me something on theline of $60 a roll. Good big rolls of alfalfa would have cost me $30 that year. For me, it was a cse of being penny wise and pound foolish. Your results may vary :-).



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kyhayman

11-19-2004 18:21:41




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 Re: baling cornstalks in reply to agman, 11-19-2004 17:54:59  
I tried a couple of times and rapidly discovered that the amount of damage made it cost me something on theline of $60 a roll. Good big rolls of alfalfa would have cost me $30 that year. For me, it was a cse of being penny wise and pound foolish. Your results may vary :-).



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