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Allan in NE

12-11-2004 06:45:26




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Hi Guys,

While we're on the subject, I was nosing around trying to find a picture of my CAT II 3-point planter to show a guy on another forum.

Anyway, I found a picture of the same planter all right, but this hillside version looks so darned 'odd' to me.

Gotta be the hills/flatland thing going on again. :>)

Allan

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BobMo

12-11-2004 16:26:26




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 Re: Hills vs Flat in reply to Allan in NE, 12-11-2004 06:45:26  
Sometimes we just have to recognize the fact that a lot of people are unexposed..... .....



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John A.

12-11-2004 14:30:07




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 Re: Hills vs Flat in reply to Allan in NE, 12-11-2004 06:45:26  
Allan I would hate to have to cultivate corn/milo on the hills that this planter was pulled accross.
Our 900 didn't have guage wheels like that . Maybe it is to help keep the planter and tractor from sliding down hill on cross wise rows. Some of those fiels where you can only see the last tower on a sprinkler. I prefer FLAT land
Later,
John A.



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Indydirtfarmer

12-11-2004 08:03:19




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 Re: Hills vs Flat in reply to Allan in NE, 12-11-2004 06:45:26  
What in the world would some "flat-lander" like you know about hills? (LOL) Your idea of a hill isn't as high as our phone books back here in the civilized world....

(That's a ridge till planter...) John



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greenbeanman in Kansas

12-11-2004 08:29:32




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 Re: Hills vs Flat in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 12-11-2004 08:03:19  
Allan, those fellows don't know what flat is until they have visited the western half of our respective states.

Shoot, up on I-70 KDOT throws in a curve or makes a hill just to keep drivers from going to sleep. I suppose the 400 mile drive across Kansas would be boring for some that can't see past the windshield.



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Indydirtfarmer

12-11-2004 09:01:45




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 Re: Hills vs Flat in reply to greenbeanman in Kansas, 12-11-2004 08:29:32  
I've drove east-west across Kansas. (In August...at night) To keep it from getting too boring, we tried counting bugs on the windshield.

I stopped counting at 794,624,197,374.....John



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Allan in NE

12-11-2004 08:34:07




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 Re: Hills vs Flat in reply to greenbeanman in Kansas, 12-11-2004 08:29:32  
GBM,

Shhhhh ! Let's keep this quiet or old Indy will be out here buying up the desert!

Also, I like the fact that I can see someone coming 40 miles away; gives me time to get all the gates closed and the dogs turned out. :>)

Allan



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Allan in NE

12-11-2004 08:09:52




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 Re: Hills vs Flat in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 12-11-2004 08:03:19  
Yeah, You're right.

A three foot drop in a half a mile run is gettin' pretty darned steep for me. :>)

Thanks ol' Trashy One, :>)

Allan



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buickanddeere

12-12-2004 18:36:41




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 Re: Hills vs Flat in reply to Allan in NE, 12-11-2004 08:09:52  
The livestock around here are all custom bred for the topography. The legs are longer in one side than the other. This allows livestock to stand up straight on hillsides without falling over.



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Indydirtfarmer

12-12-2004 19:00:44




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 Re: Hills vs Flat in reply to buickanddeere, 12-12-2004 18:36:41  
OH NO! My dads old joke is coming back to haunt me! John



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RickL

12-11-2004 07:58:57




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 Re: Hills vs Flat in reply to Allan in NE, 12-11-2004 06:45:26  
Allen in Neb; What are you talking about flat versus hill? The one in picture appears to be setup for ridge till. That fad came and went pretty fast in my area.



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Allan in NE

12-11-2004 08:04:48




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 Re: Hills vs Flat in reply to RickL, 12-11-2004 07:58:57  
Hi Rick,

Is that what the goofy slanted gauge/drive wheels were for? I'd never seen one and just assumed they were for the hills.

Mine just had a single drive wheel, one on each side of the tractor.

Thanks for the info,

Allan



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RickL

12-11-2004 08:21:15




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 Re: Hills vs Flat in reply to Allan in NE, 12-11-2004 08:04:48  
Allen in Neb; No those angled wheels is what they use on ridge till to help keep planter on the ridge. They had nothing to do with the drive line on the planter. Most of those setups really got heavy as they try to do everything in one trip. I only have one fellow I know of in my area that still does it. His stuff is hug and all on tracks and triple tires. The IH planter I used was a 900 series horizontal fold unit. I loved it and it really worked slick. Its for sale if you know anyone looking for a nice unit. I quit that part of operation as I got tired of minimum wage or less for corn and beans. Pic of unit on www.ricksales.com if you would like to see. Enjoy the site and tell your friends I do need to update it thou. RickL Happy Holidays

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Allan in NE

12-11-2004 08:29:24




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 Re: Hills vs Flat in reply to RickL, 12-11-2004 08:21:15  
I took the liquid tanks and mounted 'em as saddle tanks on the tractor. Really made a nice balanced outfit.

I'm looking for a simple 6 row 30" Cyclo 3-point mounted planter with both corn and bean drums. Really hard to find as the big boys have all gone 8 and 12 anymore.

Thanks for your help if you run across one,

Allan



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RickL

12-11-2004 13:26:19




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 Re: Hills vs Flat in reply to Allan in NE, 12-11-2004 08:29:24  
Allen in Neb; I think I may have a unit coming in. I have a 6row with liquid fertilizer on it but is pull type. 3pt planters are the odd ball stuff in my area. Have a Happy Holiday RickL



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paul

12-11-2004 09:34:12




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 Re: Hills vs Flat in reply to Allan in NE, 12-11-2004 08:29:24  
What age/ model? Older than 900 goes _really_ cheap up here, they didn't do well on hills. JD just took over the planter market, no one could use the first few models of cyclo.

Now the 950 & 1200 are taking back the market again. Musta fixed the problem.

--->Paul



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RickL

12-11-2004 13:19:43




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 Re: Hills vs Flat in reply to paul, 12-11-2004 09:34:12  
Paul; sounds to me like they were set right or something. What was wrong with them in the hills. I used mine all time till I quit that part of operation. You had to watch how you turned sometimes or you could roll the tractor or always run duals spaced out. I never had no problem in the hills. 3pt units thats another story had a Deere unit and wouldn't have another. Fad in my area are the Kinzes. Doing a 16,31,24 row unit this week and next. Happy Holidays RickL

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paul

12-12-2004 13:06:26




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 Re: Hills vs Flat in reply to RickL, 12-11-2004 13:19:43  
I have zero personal experience. what I hear at farm sales, the older IH cyclos would not feed the seed drum right on a side hill.

Case sure has made a comback around 'here', their combines are outselling JD - back in the 80s & 90s everything was green in fall.

Same in spring, last 2-3 years there are a lot more big red planters, 10 years ago you hardly saw any red ones out there any more....

--->Paul

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RickL

12-12-2004 19:07:41




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 Re: Hills vs Flat in reply to paul, 12-12-2004 13:06:26  
Paul; that was just simple set error. Their was a angled bar that you use inside of drum and you hand to make sure chute extension was set right for the right amount of seed to be in drum. That was just simply operator error.



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paul

12-13-2004 09:19:34




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 Re: Hills vs Flat in reply to RickL, 12-12-2004 19:07:41  
I know nothing about it, didn't run one.

Hoever, if there is a 'proper' corn level in the drum, leaning one way across the hill, and then leaning the other way across the hill, and doing the flat areas - would there be a propper chute level that covers it all, or would you be resetting on each end of the field?

It was more than 2 people talking, it was more like a mob - "why'd he ever buy one of those planters on his land, they don't work worth a darn around here....." There wasn't a one who liked the planter for the hilly ground in the area. And I did see a lot of red tractors in the neighborhood, so it wasn't totally color issue.

With no experience, I'm not disagreeing with you. Just trying to understand. :)

--->Paul

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RickL

12-13-2004 10:28:13




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 Re: Hills vs Flat in reply to paul, 12-13-2004 09:19:34  
Paul; No it was a set level you neaded to use period. The bar was an equalizer attachment for the hills. All it was was if you got to much seed in the drum it would start to have a jerking effect. You want the drum to rotate very smoothly. Some of the fellows complain because the disc openers were off set (one ahead of the other) that it pulled crooked. I sure never saw it as long as you made sure the planter bar was level. Even to this day if I was to return to row crops I would use a 900 series IH. Way less maintenace etc,very quick seed change etc. I am doing another 31 row split planter now I am glad its not mine. Way to much parts to wear to me. Just me thoughts thou if it works for them thats fine.

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