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Allan in NE

12-12-2004 10:12:14

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Hi Guys,

Told my wife that I wanted this chopper and dump wagon for Chirstmas to tie behind my IH 966. She frowned. Hmmmmm :>(

Wonder how hard these things tug? I know the 966 will handle a Fox 3-row; never been around a JD.

Allan

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Loren-MN

12-13-2004 17:53:42

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Re: Chopper in reply to Allan in NE, 12-12-2004 10:12:14

Allan,
Good luck.
We had a 2 row and in good tall corn, it worked the hell out of our 986.
Three rows are I think a bit much.

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jason(ma)

12-13-2004 17:31:43

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Re: Chopper in reply to Allan in NE, 12-12-2004 10:12:14

becareful dumping that wagon, that model Richardton is VERY tippy.

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Allan in NE

12-13-2004 18:15:05

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Re: Chopper in reply to jason(ma), 12-13-2004 17:31:43

Jason,

They sure appear that way. They always looked to me like they would just 'flop' over when raised.

Actually, they are really fairly stable; I've used 'em for years.

Allan

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chopper12

12-13-2004 09:31:33

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Re: Chopper in reply to Allan in NE, 12-12-2004 10:12:14

Your little 966 will not pull that three row chopper unless you have turbo on it and cranking 140 hp or more unless you have a very short crop of corn. I grow silage corn which is ten to twelve feet tall. I have a JD 4240 set at 140 HP and that tractor is in creeper chopping tall silage corn with a two row head.

Find yourself a 1066 and crank it loose if you want to chop with that rig.

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JMS/MN

12-13-2004 11:29:58

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Re: Chopper in reply to chopper12, 12-13-2004 09:31:33

Isn't a factory 4240 rated around 110 hp? And a 1066 about 110-115? My 4240 cranks 125. Pretty much all in the same range. Just adjust the ground speed according to the height of the crop, as well as how wet the field is. Some wet years are just tougher to cut silage, and sometimes we put the left dual on to pull the load.

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thurlow

12-13-2004 12:09:42

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Re: Chopper in reply to JMS/MN, 12-13-2004 11:29:58

The black-stripe 1066s were 135 HP, though the early ones might have been a little less..... 125???

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PJB

12-14-2004 07:20:56

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Re: Chopper in reply to thurlow, 12-13-2004 12:09:42

I have been told that you can really turn up the old 1066's. My neighbor has one that's putting out 160 HP. I have been told that IH where under rated in HP.

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Allan in NE

12-13-2004 09:38:41

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Re: Chopper in reply to chopper12, 12-13-2004 09:31:33

Hi,

Are you cutting sugar corn?

Allan

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PJB

12-13-2004 04:54:32

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Re: Chopper in reply to Allan in NE, 12-12-2004 10:12:14

3 row you want 150 HP. A good rule of thumb is 50 HP. a row. For a 2 row you should have around 100 HP. to pull it at a good speed. I have chopped with a 80 HP JD with a 2 row ,but I was in low gear all the time. We the corn got dried down I could gain a gear.

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paul

12-12-2004 18:32:04

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Re: Chopper in reply to Allan in NE, 12-12-2004 10:12:14

I don't chop corn, back in the day when the neighborhood chopped together they ran 110 bu corn through a 2 row chopper with 80 hp pulling it, wagons were pulled beside. Was slow.

Today in 175bu corn no one fools around with less than 140 hp on a 2 row pulling a 16' or better web bottom wagon or you don't get any where.

--->Paul

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infogatherer

12-12-2004 17:46:22

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Re: Chopper in reply to Allan in NE, 12-12-2004 10:12:14

I dont know much about JD choppers but if there anything like a 2000-150 hesston there tough pullin. A turned up 1456 has trouble pulling our hesston which is a straight through cut system. We have a two row wide head and no screen in. Also the more rows you add to a head the tougher it is too pull. A stock 966 would have a fun time pulling that JD with a 3 row head. MAybe john Deeres different. Plus you have to pull a chopper box behind. If you added more power it might be different.

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infogatherer

12-12-2004 17:44:24

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Re: Chopper in reply to Allan in NE, 12-12-2004 10:12:14

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Infogatherer

12-12-2004 17:49:37

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Re: Chopper in reply to infogatherer, 12-12-2004 17:44:24

This john Deere is not a streight through cut. You have to suppily power to the auger or whatever takes the silage to the spout. Streight through has the spout right behind the chopper part.

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John A.

12-12-2004 17:41:36

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Re: Chopper in reply to Allan in NE, 12-12-2004 10:12:14

Allan, A relative had a 3 row just like this one. They pulled it with a JD 4640. That tractor didn't even know it was back there. I can't imagine that cutter being that big of a load on a freshly rebuilt 966, That would be a good breakin work IMO. We neve had any trouble with ours, Just keep the blades sharp, & Throttle WIDE OPEN. Does the dealer have the Axle Cone to go with it. So the axle doesn't knock down corn ?
If you are short anywhere it will be on trucks. One really needs 3 trucks, (20ft beds, twin screws) even on a 5 mi haul. In 25 ton silage. On year my relatives and I made a trade with one of our neighbors we would cut, and supply drivers, he supplyied his 2, C60,16 ft trucks. I was on one of the two trucks, We ran the thunder out of then trying to keep up with the cutter. This was a 4.5 mi haul,one way, but the pit was .5 mi back in a pasture
Anyway that is a good looking ol cutter, Does the wagon come with it for 7k?
Later,
John A.

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Santa's Helper

12-12-2004 10:44:46

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Re: Chopper in reply to Allan in NE, 12-12-2004 10:12:14

Your Wife is probably thinking of a different style of "chopper" for under your tree!
But if you are intent on a John Deere, I wouldn't be concerned about a 966 in front of it...other than a color clash!

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Indydirtfarmer

12-12-2004 10:44:01

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Re: Chopper in reply to Allan in NE, 12-12-2004 10:12:14

We had a model #38 Deere chopper, then a Fox chopper that the model # escapes me now. Both 2 row. We used a 4430 Deere (125 HP) on both. We would speed up untill it got to be a load. In heavy corn, just drop the speed a little. We used Badger silage wagons. I've seen a neighbor with a Deere chopper just like the one in your picture behind a 4240 (110HP) going kinda slow though.

A great deal of the answer lies in how heavy your corn is...John

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Allan in NE

12-12-2004 10:56:18

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Re: Chopper in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 12-12-2004 10:44:01

John,

This one is a model 6850 (?) and the dealer is asking $7K for it. Looks to have had a lot of corn run thru 'er; probably belonged to a feedyard.

I can't help noticing that they are a direct cut. Did you have any trouble with the things plugging at the feeder house? I'm really gun-shy about a chopper without the drag chain.

Not worried about the power, tho. A 80 horse IH will pull about the same as a 125 horse JD. :>)

Allan

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I Bleed Green

12-12-2004 15:28:26

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Re: Chopper in reply to Allan in NE, 12-12-2004 10:56:18

That a very good chopper, i know of allot of them around here. 80 hp red or green is to small for 3 rows.

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Allan in NE

12-12-2004 15:37:32

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Re: Chopper in reply to I Bleed Green, 12-12-2004 15:28:26

Yeah,

I know. Just givin' ol' Indy John a hard time 'cause he is "over-the-edge" green. :>)

Allan

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thurlow

12-12-2004 13:04:33

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Re: Chopper in reply to Allan in NE, 12-12-2004 10:56:18

Not that familiar with the IH line, though my Dad had and used a black-stripe 1066 for about 20 years. The 80 horse IH you're talking about must have an electric engine; don't have the conversion chart in front of me, but I know an 80 horse electric is "bigger" than an 80 horse gas or diesel..... .....

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buickanddeere

12-12-2004 18:32:26

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Re: Chopper in reply to thurlow, 12-12-2004 13:04:33

80HP is 80HP no matter gas, diesel, steam, electric or draft horses. The electric motor does shine when used where brief but heavy overloading occurs. Any decent AC induction more will make 150 to 400% of it's nameplate rated power if the hydro service is capable.For few seconds anyways before the windings and rotor gets too hot. The other sources would slow to a stall in similar curcstances. Except maybe for some steam applications.

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Dug

12-12-2004 12:14:03

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Re: Chopper in reply to Allan in NE, 12-12-2004 10:56:18

Not worried about the power, tho. A 80 horse IH will pull about the same as a 125 horse JD. :>)

Now, Allan,

Whatcha been addin to that Egg Nog?

Merry Christmas,

Dug

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Allan in NE

12-12-2004 16:08:36

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Re: Chopper in reply to Dug, 12-12-2004 12:14:03

Dug,

You can see the fix I'm in. 'Bout ready to sell that Fox? :>)

Allan

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Tim(nj)

12-12-2004 11:03:03

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Re: Chopper in reply to Allan in NE, 12-12-2004 10:56:18

If it doesn"t have a kernal processor added on, you probably have just enough to run it. The JD pull-types with KPs that I"ve seen around Pennsylvania take at least 130HP.

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TP from Central PA

12-12-2004 11:28:49

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Re: Chopper in reply to Tim(nj), 12-12-2004 11:03:03

And then some(Smile).

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Allan in NE

12-12-2004 11:20:39

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Re: Chopper in reply to Tim(nj), 12-12-2004 11:03:03

Hi Tim,

Gotta be honest with you. I've never, ever heard of anyone cutting ensilage with the screen in. Seems like we would be talking pure pulp??

Do they do that in your area?

Allan

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Glenn F.

12-12-2004 15:42:11

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Re: Chopper in reply to Allan in NE, 12-12-2004 11:20:39

We put a screen in when the corn has gotten too dry, from frost,etc. HARD pulling.

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