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Allan in NE

12-16-2004 06:08:36




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Mornin'

Looks like someone yanked the second row of teeth on this 14' Dunham. Must have tugged a little too hard for someone's taste?

Allan

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RJ-AZ

12-18-2004 18:58:44




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 Re: Tooth Pulled? in reply to Allan in NE, 12-16-2004 06:08:36  
Hang in there Allen and you can make a comeback. I drank and whored away my interest in the family operation and have been turning wrenches and driving truck since then. Been clean and sober for over ten years now and my dream is to get back into farming somehow. Went back home last spring and am now being judged a success by my father. My brother almost lost the place in a divorce two years ago when he decided to have a mid-life crisis.

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John A.

12-17-2004 06:17:08




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 Re: Tooth Pulled? in reply to Allan in NE, 12-16-2004 06:08:36  
Allan, I have a ?,and a comment , and I don't want to sound rude!
First I am assumeing your are leaning toward "Conventioal tillage" in your operation. once you get back up,and going again.
I never once saw a finishing unit, like this one in the panhandles where I was , even at the farm sales of late 80s.
We used a 30 ft piece of R.R. iron (rail) to smooth out the land before we "Listed" it up to plant, (row water). Even on our circles, where we planted flat! RR iron is alot cheaper. The draw back is it takes 1 to 3 plowings for land where we burned off the crop residue. , Or 3 to 6 plowings if you are trying to incorpirate the residue. To get it where the residue won't hang up on a RR iron.
So a Question or two remain, I know that there has to be positive bottom line for you even in this opersation. Tractor DSL ain't cheap(+- $1.50) and neither is Irragation-Nateral Gas (+-$9.00/KCF).
Would't looking at some min till/ ridge, strip till scnario make sence? I have seen results in strip till under full irgation on circles where the soil profile at the start of the growing season is close to 4ft. That is $ that doesent have to come out of your pocket and gets evaporated out into the air, Thus improving your bottom line.
I know you will say I am streaching the truth on these stats but my relatives are and have been pulling 220 to 240 bu corn in their operations very consistantly.
Yes I will agree to see a field where reduced till age practices are used the field look ratty!
But extra $$$ in your pocket are worth it.
My last ? , how, and where does a unit like this one fit in an operation. I do know that one is needed to plant Alfalfa. OBTW...Good Morning!
Later,
John A.

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Allan in NE

12-17-2004 08:45:43




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 Re: Tooth Pulled? in reply to John A., 12-17-2004 06:17:08  
Hi My Friend, How are ya?

First about this machine: This gizmo follows directly behind the plow making an absolutely "perfect" seedbed in one pass. They are a totally awesome gadget. Downside is that it takes 80 IH horsepower to tug 'em. :>)

Guess I've never used 'em in front of planting alfalfa, tho. :>)

Now, the rest of this tirade is kinda hard to explain, 'cause in a lot of ways and to a large degree, I'm fightin' ghosts here.

In my own defense, trash farming doesn't do well when one of the cash crops in rotation is dry beans. One needs a pretty clean crop area as not to create a major hassle with every single operation concerning and during the whole crop season with beans.

Now, the "other" part:

In 1983, after three totally hailed-out years, I was forced to sell out. The handwriting was on the wall; continue on, go one more season and the farm ground would be in jeopardy as well.

So, this is what I did. I watched everything my family had worked so darn hard for all those years go down the drain for pennies on the dollar. Tough pill to swallow. Very tough! Tough then and tough to this day.

It took me 20 years to pull out of that $600K hole, but now the wife and I have built and own an online corporation that has been somewhat successful.

But, be it rational or not, I'm still livin' with the guilt of that darned farm sale, plus I’ve missed that farming way of life with every breath I’ve taken for the past 23 or so years.

I've sworn to get every piece of machinery, every tool and all the equipment back that I had to give up on that cold, blustery day back in March of '83

Then, to he!! with the cost, I'm gonna farm just like I used to 'til my time comes and when it does, hopefully on that day, lighting can strike me down while I've got that 9 tuggin' on that spinner and a blowin' black smoke in my face. :>)

That's what I wanna do. Yes, I’m irrational, yes, I’m illogical and probably phobic, but I’m just chasin’ my old memories and I’m gonna pull it off or die trying. :>)

Allan

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John A.

12-17-2004 20:24:16




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 Re: Tooth Pulled? in reply to Allan in NE, 12-17-2004 08:45:43  
Allan, My Friend,.... Sorry I am late getting back to read your post this PM. Long day cutting firewood for here at the house and Christmas presents for my Dad & Brother-in-Law. Both will get a cord on the 25th.
Pull The Throttle back Hard,...& Get-er-Done!!!! I understand, My hat is off to you. Espicially getting out of that hole. Is there anything we can help you find? Later,
John A.



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Allan in NE

12-18-2004 07:24:10




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 Re: Tooth Pulled? in reply to John A., 12-17-2004 20:24:16  
Hi John,

Aw heck, I'm runnin' around like a chicken with my head cut off lookin' for the old toys. :>)

Going to look at another farm truck this morning; just hope it isn't too darned new (need 'em old like me). :>)

Allan



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NP

12-17-2004 15:51:14




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 Re: Tooth Pulled? in reply to Allan in NE, 12-17-2004 08:45:43  
Right on! Not only is the best thing about farming getting to do it your own way, the best thing about busting your hump and saving your pennies for 20 years is finally getting to do it (whatever it is) your way. Enjoy!



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Allan in NE

12-17-2004 16:06:06




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 Re: Tooth Pulled? in reply to NP, 12-17-2004 15:51:14  
Hi NP,

Aw, this darned thing has nagged and hounded me for almost a quarter century now. Just a sticky thorn in my side that I couldn't ever get over.

I started hangin' out here a few years ago, and just bein' able to talk to some of you "farmer types" and air it out once in awhile sure has helped alot.

So, onwards and upwards as they say,

Allan



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Hound

12-17-2004 13:14:53




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 Re: Tooth Pulled? in reply to Allan in NE, 12-17-2004 08:45:43  
...by trash farming do mean residue left on top and not plowed down? We don't irrigate like you guys do, but we no til all of our beans...even our adzukis, whites and black turtle edibles. We have gone back and clipped them if we didn't scuffle or even pulled them if we did scuffle. Does 4" zone til work with irragation? Hound



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Allan in NE

12-17-2004 15:09:44




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 Re: Tooth Pulled? in reply to Hound, 12-17-2004 13:14:53  
Hi Hound,

Hope we're talking about the same crop because I don't recognize your terms. Maybe it is that darned regional thing again.

Do you use one of these critters to cut with?

Allan

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Hound

12-22-2004 12:44:07




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 Re: Tooth Pulled? in reply to Allan in NE, 12-17-2004 15:09:44  
..what do you mean "to cut with".... must be that regional thing.... Very rare around these parts, I have seen set ups like that around here though...but it would only be used around here for speciality crops like carrots, onions, and such. ..Hound.



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Indydirtfarmer

12-17-2004 11:31:24




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 Re: Tooth Pulled? in reply to Allan in NE, 12-17-2004 08:45:43  
TOUCHE'---
The best thing about farming is you have no set rules on how to do it. I see every day (on here) guys that get downright mad because someone else does things different that they have for years. Too bad for them...They MIGHT learn something if they allowed themselves to do so...BUT....If they don't learn something new, and their present methods are working, they don't need to try "My way".

My father farmed the place I now work for years. I learned his ways. I always had my ideas of how I'd do things if I could. Now's my chance...And my way is working fairly well...

Allan, I'm one guy that's pulling for you to get your "new operation" underway. Even if it is different than my way.....John

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Allan in NE

12-17-2004 11:51:12




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 Re: Tooth Pulled? in reply to Indydirtfarmer, 12-17-2004 11:31:24  
Hi Pard,

You bet! And I understand perfectly that you do this for a living and my little project is only going to be nothing more than a 'hobby' for the wife and I.

When money is an issue, of course you have to do what works and consequently most successful farmers today do just as you and John A. down in Texas are doing it.

My main goal, aside from the recovery aspect, is only to smell that diesel smoke, watch that crop boil up outta the ground and feed those cows in the dead of winter with something I have grown with my own two hands.

I hate racin' the clock like this tho, but by everything that is holy, we're gonna get 'er done. :>)

See ya,

Allan

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tim[in]

12-18-2004 07:59:32




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 Re: Tooth Pulled? in reply to Allan in NE, 12-17-2004 11:51:12  
yes thank God that farming is still not completely under govt. control. we would all have to do things the same wether they worked or not!! and i have found out what works for one guy and his style of doing things may or will not work for someone right next door across the fence.plus there are a lot of people out here who have not swallowed the no till and minumum till pill. some places these practices are a God send, some a disaster. just because some salesman or govt agri talker keeps cheerleading doesnt mean anything.id all the small and family farmers had done what the magazines and govt wanted we would all be starving in this country. and things might not work in the same field from soil type to soil type. some portions of a field better off in permanent pasture or hay or woods, and some can be moldboard plowed and never lose any soil depending on part of u.s.,soil type and slope if any. govt want everything like big corps where it is all structured the same and predictable with no surprises.i'm tiny so i can get things where i can do a version of what ever fits me and my plans ,soil ,mine and national economics and this years weather.the only reason russia was able to go for so long was the small farmers fed that country. i personally think if you put enough organic matter back in and use reasonable judgement you can keep erosion at a minimum reguardless of how much tillage. there amish farmer i've read about in ohio who farm steep hillsides with convetional tillage and have no eroin. and the govt bureaucrats even acknowledge it!you know your own situation and farm best. trust your own judgement and keep and pen mind. you cant help but to exceed! good luck!!=)

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