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Allan in NE

04-17-2005 12:49:26




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Me thinks aside from running a grease gun across 'er and oiling some chains, this old $200 planter is ready for the test.

Neighbor wants to plant his terraces in corn for the deer and that ought to make a good 'maiden voyage' for it.

Got any idea what those silly "bumps" are on the insecticide boxes are? Derned if I can see a purpose for 'em.

Allan

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paul

04-18-2005 12:46:08




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 Re: Okay, Hugh MacKay in reply to Allan in NE, 04-17-2005 12:49:26  
Looks like the Lock-n-Load setup for RUP pesticides very popular a few years ago & still in use, pretty common setup around here tho I've not used them. Most farm chemicals are not too bad, but some of those insecticides are pretty nasty. Chemical is sold in containers that lock onto this valve, you never get exposed to the chemical.

BT-genetics are replacing these things these days. Score a net positive for genetic engineering.

--->Paul

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Hugh MacKay

04-17-2005 13:26:51




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 Re: Okay, Hugh MacKay in reply to Allan in NE, 04-17-2005 12:49:26  
Allan: Yes I do know what those are for. About 15 to 20 years ago one of the chemical companies, use these for transfering restricted chemicals from container to the hopper on planter. They called it Load N' Lock. Container had a lid much like those on your hopper lids. You open both, place the container on top of lid and the two go together, half turn of container and it was locked in place. You then opened a valve allowing material to flow into hopper. Suposedly you never touched material with your flesh.

The product I used in one of these was called Counter 15G. Really just a replacment for Furadan 15G or Dasanit 15G. They worked well for those nasty chemicals you didn't want on your flesh. I don't know if the idea caught on, haven't seen anyone using them in recent years, nor have I seen it on new planters. The ones I had came from the chemical company, you just cut 3 to 4 inch hole in lid and fitted that device. The idea is good, just have a feeling it got standardized.

I have a cousin who's son was putting granular Furadan in one day, out of bags. Before closing lids he leveled material off with his hand. Two hours later he found himself at Poision Control Center of Hospital. They almost lost him. Doctors determined he absorbed the chemical through a cut or scratch on his hand. He was a very lucky guy.

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Allan in NE

04-17-2005 14:03:58




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 Re: Okay, Hugh MacKay in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-17-2005 13:26:51  
Yep,

Like Billyiron says, I been away for awhile.

Can't remember the number of times I've leveled the box of Furadan with my bare hands. :>)

Allan



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Hugh MacKay

04-17-2005 14:18:11




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 Re: Okay, Hugh MacKay in reply to Allan in NE, 04-17-2005 14:03:58  
Allan: I hear you, sometimes I wonder how we survived. Had a classmate from high school, he , myself and two other guys, only ones that farmed from our group. He developed a cancer around early 80s. Fought it off for 15 years before it got him. We kept in touch through the years. I went to visit him in hospital, not long before he died. He confided in me, he believed a specific chemical caused this. I've forgotten the name of it, but it was one I never used.

Since seeing billyiron's post I believe I had the words in wrong order, it was Lock N' Load.

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Allan in NE

04-17-2005 14:00:58




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 Re: Okay, Hugh MacKay in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-17-2005 13:26:51  
Yep,

Like Billyiron says, I been away for awhile.

Can't remember the number of times I've leveled the box of Furadan with my bare hands. :>)

Allan



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John A.

04-17-2005 13:22:52




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 Re: Okay, Hugh MacKay in reply to Allan in NE, 04-17-2005 12:49:26  
Allan, Our old machine had the flat top insectide boses. I remember pouring "Furidan" from paper sacks into them to control Corn Borrers worns....
Those Bumps on the insecticide boxes are the "Bulk-Fill" caps. Small containers that are turned upside down and placed in that position to fill the Insect.Boxes. No sacks to contend with, or have to worry with disposeing of, No EPA hassels. Simply return the containers to your supplier. Where they are sent back to the manufacture for refill.
As a rule the insecticide boxes were uses to hold odd junk found in the field! When we weren't puttin out insecticide.
Hope this helps.
Later,
John A.

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Allan in NE

04-17-2005 14:47:38




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 Re: Okay, Hugh MacKay in reply to John A., 04-17-2005 13:22:52  
Hi John,

I always unhooked the dudes when not corn on corn so that they don't needlessly wear. Then, ya gotta have somewhere to carry the drive chains. :>)

Allan



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Allan in NE

04-17-2005 14:44:38




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 Re: Okay, Hugh MacKay in reply to John A., 04-17-2005 13:22:52  
Hi John,

I always unhooked the dudes when not corn on corn so that they don't needlessly wear. Then, ya gotta have somewhere to carry the drive chains. :>)

Allan



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billyiron

04-17-2005 13:17:17




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 Re: Okay, Hugh MacKay in reply to Allan in NE, 04-17-2005 12:49:26  
you been away from this farming thing for awhile aint ya,,,those are lock and load lids for counter insecticide,,so you dont get your hands on the stuff,,counter had special containers to fit those,, it was kind of a fad,,billy



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steveormary

04-17-2005 16:07:21




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 Re: Okay, Hugh MacKay in reply to billyiron, 04-17-2005 13:17:17  
Mabe a little off topic,but,have any of y"all been diagnosed with Parkinsons Disease. I have PD and the neurologists seem to think it is from being around farm chemicals. I worked on the liquid fertalizer dock at a coop one spring. I think the PD was caused by a severe blow to the head. I was out for about 14 hrs. Or it may be hereditary. So what do you think.

steveormary



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Hugh MacKay

04-17-2005 16:42:55




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 Re: Okay, Hugh MacKay in reply to steveormary, 04-17-2005 16:07:21  
steveormary: I think our generation and generations to come will have a hard time to lay blame. We are exposed to so many new substances, probably going to take a lifetime to sort them out.

I know my friend was not absolutely sure with his cancer. He just noted that he never felt the same after using the chemical. I remember using one called Tote, a herbacide for use in cabbage, broccoli, rutabagas, etc. I always felt it did more damage to me than it did the weeds.

The one that scares me today is the statistic that our oxygen content in the atmosphere has droped from 40% down below 20% since the beginning of the industrial revolution. We are using bottled water at ever increasing rate. My dad said in the 1950s, water we drink and the air we breath would always be free. Living beings have adapted very well to harmful chemicals. I don't think we will do so well without water or oxygen. I'd be kind of curious if my dad were alive, if he would change his opinion?

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Jim in Michigan

04-18-2005 09:02:02




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 Re: Okay, Hugh MacKay in reply to Hugh MacKay, 04-17-2005 16:42:55  
Hugh,,, my dad refuses to buy a bottle of water,, he says water is free for the drinking,, he also says that there are no regulations on bottled water, so he says they could be bottle sewer water for all he knows, so he wont buy any lol,,,Jim



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Allan in NE

04-17-2005 16:32:19




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 Re: Okay, Hugh MacKay in reply to steveormary, 04-17-2005 16:07:21  
Hi Steve,

I just asked the wife. She says the jury is still out on this, but that it "tends" to run in familys.

She says the blow to the head would be more in line with cause than the chemicals.

Just passin' it on,

Allan



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steveormary

04-17-2005 17:20:31




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 Re: Okay, Hugh MacKay in reply to Allan in NE, 04-17-2005 16:32:19  
To Hugh and Allan;

Thanks for the reply. Dont know about the Doctors either. Fergit that. I lean toward heredity and the blow to the head. So far I am doing ok with it. I have had PD now for about 9 years and hope I can make it for another 10. Thanks for putting up with all this and y"all be careful.

steveormary



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Fighting suburbia in NC

04-18-2005 04:55:28




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 Re: Okay, Hugh MacKay in reply to steveormary, 04-17-2005 17:20:31  
Steveormary,

PD has a hereditary link as well as physical trauma causations - my Mom was diagnosed with it early in her 50s, possibly from anesthesia during a back surgery (took her hours to come out of it - they thought she was going into a coma). Her brother was diagnosed with it a few years after her symptoms showed. They grew up living in the shadow of the thread mills in Rossville, GA so there is no telling what industrial byproducts they were exposed to in their formative years.

The hereditary link concerns me as I am the reincarnation of my uncle (just 33 years younger). The drugs they have now are so much better than what they started my Mom out on 20 years ago - just make sure the doc knows what is working for you and what is not. My Mom was irreversibly harmed by a then-new drug that did its damage before they realized its effect on her.

Keep fighting the disease as best you can - the best revenge is living well and not letting it beat you down. You have my prayers.

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steveormary

04-18-2005 10:24:22




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 Re: Okay, Hugh MacKay in reply to Fighting suburbia in NC, 04-18-2005 04:55:28  
Heredity may have alot to do with PD. Moms sister and one of Dads brothers had PD. I think the severe blow to the head enhanced the onset of PD. I was 58 at the time.

Thanks for the inputs and replys. Y"all be careful and stay safe.

steveormary



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steveormary

04-17-2005 17:17:56




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 Re: Okay, Hugh MacKay in reply to Allan in NE, 04-17-2005 16:32:19  
To Hugh and Allan;

Thanks for the reply. Dont know about the Doctors either. Fergit that. I lean toward heredity and the blow to the head. So far I am doing ok with it. I have had PD now for about 9 years and hope I can make it for another 10. Thanks for putting up with all this and y"all be careful.

steveandmary



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Eric Rylander

04-18-2005 17:21:44




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 Re: Okay, Hugh MacKay in reply to steveormary, 04-17-2005 17:17:56  
My Grandfather whom I barely knew passed away in 1973 from some form of cancer that invaded his brain at the age of 57.

He had been a crop duster since the end of WWII working in the Salinas Valley in California. My mom has black and white photos of him, smiling, pouring chemicals directly from metal cans with no protective gloves or anything on into the spray tanks of his plane. He sprayed all kinds of stuff like DDT and such that have been banned for years. I do not doubt for one moment that the chemical exposure was a cause of his untimely death.

Then again, at the time, there were no warnings about use and handling. Though my Grandfather on more than one occasion would not work for a given farmer because they would tell him the field was empty, and he would swoop in to begin spraying and entire migarant families with children were running, having been in the fields working. He did not like the attitude many landowners held that they were "just Mexicans" and who cares if they get sprayed.

Makes you wonder how many uncounted deaths among workers were never linked to use of this stuff.

Sorry Alan in NE for changing the subject. For what it's worth, that's a heck of a planter you got for very little money!

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steveormary

04-18-2005 20:24:19




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 Re: Okay, Hugh MacKay in reply to Eric Rylander, 04-18-2005 17:21:44  
Eric, I am the one who sorta changed the sbject. I could go on about alot of things since Eric mentioned farm laborers. It is about time to stop this string and go on with the tractors and planters and such.

steveormary



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