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Allan in NE

06-29-2005 20:04:34

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Okay,

You're probably gettin tired of all my questions, but I just don't understand all I know 'bout this old NH 495 Haybine.

Do you just drop the thing down on the ground and drag it along like a sickle bar mower (with it sliding on those skids)?

Also, my right tire is about 2 feet away from the standing crop. I've got the tongue in the farthest left hole. Do I just adjust it back a hole at a time until the tire is closer to the crop?

Lastly, the gear box. Check the oil 'til it runs out the side where that plug is? What kind of oil?

Can't find a derned manual anywhere.

Thanks for all your help; I really appreciate it,

Allan

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Greg C

06-30-2005 12:18:27

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Re: Need Advice Again in reply to Allan in NE, 06-29-2005 20:04:34

Like the others said, 75 lbs should be right. On my 8330 the head drops down pretty fast too, I found out the hard way just how tough this is on the old girl, about $200 in repairs to the driveline(yoke, cross and slip shaft) From now on I just drop the head and then engage the pto. Like the idea about those pressure reducers, gonna have to try that.

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Hugh MacKay

06-30-2005 03:20:57

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Re: Need Advice Again in reply to Allan in NE, 06-29-2005 20:04:34

Allan: There are shoes for setting the header height. Also big springs that look like a lift assist. You set those springs so when header is down, it requires about 100 to 125 lb lift on cross bar in front of reel to lift header off the ground. I may be a bit off on those lbs from what manual will say. (going from memory) I used to be quite happy when I could comfortably pick that header off the ground. Many of those old springs have lost their tension. We all park the machine with header down. I know I replaced those springs at least once over the years. Very important those springs.

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Allan in NE

06-30-2005 05:14:44

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Re: Need Advice Again in reply to Hugh MacKay, 06-30-2005 03:20:57

Well Heck,

That's what's wrong then.

When I drop it down, she drops; Kabang! It would take a loader to lift it off the ground and the thing seems awfully nose heavy. It even kind of tips over center "forward" when I let the cylinder go on to the end of it's travel.

There is about 8" of adjustment on those spring bolts sticking out of the top. Betcha they need some cranking done to 'em.

I was sure the thing should "float" in some manner, but I've never owned or ran a swather; always had it all done by the custom boys when I was farming before.

But oh, Mamma! Does that thing ever spit hay out the back! :>)

Thanks for your help; I do appreciate it.

Allan

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KEH

06-30-2005 09:41:06

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Re: Need Advice Again in reply to Allan in NE, 06-30-2005 05:14:44

Allan, Another issue. You said the 495 drops fast. I don't like to drop cutter bars hard because of damage issues. Now, you have large tractors with, I hope, lots of hydraulic capacity that will raise an lower the machine fast. To slow the process down, if desired, you may put a reducer in line next to the hydraulic cylinder. Now that I've raised this issue, I don't know if you would have to put reducers in both lines at the cylinder. Or maybe the tractor has a flow control on it.

Now let us know how the baler works.

KEH

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Allan in NE

06-30-2005 09:53:08

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Re: Need Advice Again in reply to KEH, 06-30-2005 09:41:06

Hi Guy,

Yep, I've got a set or two of those restrictors, but if I'm reading this operation right, as she comes down, it should also be loading the suspension springs at the same time.

Therefore, I really shouldn't need the restrictors. Right?

I'm headed back out there in a few minutes and will adjust those springs up. We'll see what happens at that point.

Allan

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Jimmy King

06-30-2005 03:10:06

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Re: Need Advice Again in reply to Allan in NE, 06-29-2005 20:04:34

Allan, I think a post the other day said 75lbs, I think that is right. Get a set of scales, adjust the springs on the back side of the header intil 75lbs of pull will lift each end of the header. Also on the back side there are transport locks on each end, half moon pieces with handles on them held in place with a pin. They sit on the axle when in transport position, pull them up to mow. Do not be afraid to over grease the wobble box. If I remember right will be a fitting on each side of yoke, one at pivit and one on a pipe on the back side for the shaft. I think I always used the first hole from inside for the tongue. Good guards and sharp sicle are very importion use the self sharpening sections and the sicle will stay sharp. Guards will wear and get dull when they do it is time to replace them. Over the years I found it pays to use New Holland guards and sections, they are higher, but will not break as easy or wear out as quick. If it dosen't have bolt in the sections instead of rivits you might want to change to them as you replace, but you will have to change the hold down clips. There is a grease fitting where the tongue slide back and forth, keep it greased good.

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Allan in NE

06-30-2005 04:57:33

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Re: Need Advice Again in reply to Jimmy King, 06-30-2005 03:10:06

Thanks Jimmy,

I was really scratchin" my head over those darned blocks. Just could not figure out what the heck they were for. Hmmmmm, seems like I towed "er with the blocks up then. :>)

Finally found a manual at midnight last night; "course it"ll take a week to get here. :>(

Thanks

Allan

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Leland

06-29-2005 23:18:55

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Re: Need Advice Again in reply to Allan in NE, 06-29-2005 20:04:34

Allan thats how I ran a 1209 just drop it on the shoes and fly and I also belive a 90 to 140 weight oil will be just fine ,and as far as tire goes run it a couple of rounds and see how it cuts and if it looks good leave tire alone I know the way deere had there's set up the tires were about that far away also make sure you get a spare sharp sycle easier to change than fix if your in a hurry have fun

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Leland

06-29-2005 23:18:09

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Re: Need Advice Again in reply to Allan in NE, 06-29-2005 20:04:34

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Rauville

06-29-2005 21:19:14

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Re: Need Advice Again in reply to Allan in NE, 06-29-2005 20:04:34

Allan;
Here's one that didn't sell on eBay tonight...I'm sure you can still buy it.
Better hurry! ☺☺☺

495 Manual

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Allan in NE

06-30-2005 05:22:15

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Re: Need Advice Again in reply to Rauville, 06-29-2005 21:19:14

Thanks Rau,

Found one late last night; let's see how fast their so called "priority mail" is. :>)

Allan

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Allan in NE

06-30-2005 05:19:16

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Re: Need Advice Again in reply to Rauville, 06-29-2005 21:19:14

Thanks Rau,

Found one late last night; let's see how fast their so called "priority mail" is. :>)

Allan

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Rauville

06-29-2005 21:17:42

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Re: Need Advice Again in reply to Allan in NE, 06-29-2005 20:04:34

Allan;
Here's one that didn't sell on eBay tonight...I'm sure you can still buy it!
Better hurry! ☺☺☺

495 Manual

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Mr. Flubbley

06-29-2005 21:23:09

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Re: Need Advice Again in reply to Rauville, 06-29-2005 21:17:42

Oops...sorry for the double post. The night is way too late, and I'm way too old for this sort of thing.
Rauville

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old

06-29-2005 20:42:51

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Re: Need Advice Again in reply to Allan in NE, 06-29-2005 20:04:34

Well that is about like my 460 just a lot newer. I run my 460 in the first hole to the left as far as cutting. I have found that the last hole is to far out. I also keep the bar about 3 inchs off the ground and don't have much troulbe but have sheared 2 bar bolts this year but it was in heavy grass. As far as the gear box I think 80W-140 will work good that is what I use.

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Rexalot

07-03-2005 06:36:17

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Re: Need Advice Again in reply to old, 06-29-2005 20:42:51

I'm sure you got this figured out. There may be a reason that the springs were tensioned off (8" inches of screw). At the end of the season when your down with the unit, it's recommended that you relieve the tension on the lift springs to prevent breakage/stretch. Might be why yours were out.

I failed to do this on my ole 469 and broke two springs over the winter months just sitting under cover behind the barn.

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