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Help A Dummy Again?

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Allan in NE

07-25-2005 07:04:33




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Hi All,

Will you guys bale me out of the fire again?

I don't know squat about dryland farming; it's just a foreign thing to me as I've always been irrigated.

Anyway, I have some tired old alfalfa fields that have to be rotated into something for next year. I'm thinking about plowin' it up this fall and seeding it to spring wheat early on next year.

Is spring wheat just hard red winter wheat that is planted in the spring vs the fall, or is it a totally different kind?

Thanks,

Allan

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Coloken

07-25-2005 07:28:05




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 Re: Help A Dummy Again? in reply to Allan in NE, 07-25-2005 07:04:33  
No way. Diferent breed. However: winter wheat can, and some times is planted in the spring. It requires a freeze to ( I think the word is "vernalize"), it. If not, it just grows green and never joints or heads. Around here, spring wheat just doesn't do any good. Montana, I think, is spring wheat country. Ask you neibours about where you are.
Kennyp.



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Allan in NE

07-25-2005 07:43:48




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 Re: Help A Dummy Again? in reply to Coloken, 07-25-2005 07:28:05  
Thanks Kenny,

That's what I needed to know.

The wife and I stopped and talked to the neighbor on Saturday and I off-handedly asked him how his wheat did this year. He said the worst of it came in at 42 bushel per acre and it ran all the way to 62.

This prompted me to ask what was going on, as I was accustomed to seeing dryland wheat in the 30 bushel range.

He says that they now have a variety called "Jagger" (I think) that just about doubles old seed types, but that it costs in the range of $17 a bushel for initial seed stock.

Those kinds of yields really helps the penciling quite a little.

Who knows? Perhaps now is the time that I should go find myself a quarter of a mil combine and go into debt up to my wrinkled old earlobes? :>)

Allan

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Coloken

07-25-2005 13:37:16




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 Re: Help A Dummy Again? in reply to Allan in NE, 07-25-2005 07:43:48  
Allan, For the last maybe 15 years we have had available new varities that have the ability for high yeilds. All most any of the new ones will make maybe 90 bu/acre IF THEY HAVE THE WATER, like irrigation. Irrigated varities evem more. Colo runs varity tests every year, and I bet Neb. does too. Just about every thing can be found on the web with a search...bet the test can be too. I bet that if we can find results that the top 10 or 15 varities don't vary more than something like 5 bu. Remember, most wheat in your and my country are on summer fallow. Don't think you should "go for broke" , just any of the newer good ones. For those not acquainted with it: We farm half of the farm with clean till or chemical all summer til fall, then plant wheat for the next year. Half farm is in wheat, half in summer fallow. Yes, two year for a crop, but stores two years moisture for that crop. Typical yeald here befor summer fallow was about 15 bu--on a good year. Sorry for so long, Kennyp

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Coloken

07-25-2005 13:53:56




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 Re: Help A Dummy Again? in reply to Coloken, 07-25-2005 13:37:16  
Just did a google for wheat varity test neb Sheridan Neb. tests,, About 20 varities beat jagger for yield. I just looked at a friends wheat here that was NOT summer fallow. He will not even try to harvest it..total loss from May drought.
Kenny



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R Wyler

07-25-2005 12:27:30




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 Re: Help A Dummy Again? in reply to Allan in NE, 07-25-2005 07:43:48  
Here in OK I know nothing about winter wheat though Jagger is very common here as a hard red winter wheat. And around here it will cost around $5 to maybe $7 per bushel certified. could there be another form of it in winter wheat?? Maybe it is cheaper here as the supply is so great. It is a very good wheat though that yields well most of the time down here.



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Glen in TX

07-27-2005 13:35:45




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 Re: Help A Dummy Again? in reply to R Wyler, 07-25-2005 12:27:30  
Some plant Jagger here in TX panhandle too and it has done well. Another one called Jagalene?? now I think. It's planted in the fall here and grazed with cattle taken off in spring and then left for a grain crop or hayed and some is grazed on out. Like the others said check some of the local tests on different varieties and ask around. Some of the proven ones did poor here this time because of the wet spring and rust and bugs that got in some.

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R Wyler

07-27-2005 17:14:08




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 Re: Help A Dummy Again? in reply to Glen in TX, 07-27-2005 13:35:45  
Here the srping was too dry so the crop was very very poor this year for a wide area. Yes Jagalene is planted here also and I hear it is a good wheat. Yes one needs to plant varieties that work well for their region.



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JMS/MN

07-25-2005 08:48:32




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 Re: Help A Dummy Again? in reply to Allan in NE, 07-25-2005 07:43:48  
Actually Allan, I'd go in debt deeper than earlobes, because if you're only in that deep you can still 'see' your way clear. Might as well go all the way.



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