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Allan in NE

08-31-2005 05:35:32




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Hi All,

I need something to work summer fallow with next year and don't know squat about what I'm doing with this dryland-type farming gig.

Local dealer has one of these IH 345s. Appears to have three rows of bull tongues. I see some guys have finger harrows mounted behind the spring teeth also.

Would one of these gizmos work, do ya think?

Thanks,

Allan

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John A.

08-31-2005 20:45:50




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 Re: Okay, You Dryland Guys in reply to Allan in NE, 08-31-2005 05:35:32  
Allan, Do not get that rig you posted as pic of.
What you need is as Steve and Glen refered to as a stubble multch plow. The Name of the gave in High Plains dryland farming Is "moisture conservation."
No If, And or But about it.
A sweep plow as they are referd to usually have 4, 5, or 6 ft sweep repaceable blades.
Your 966 should be able to pull 3, 6s with little trouble. All you want to do is undercut the stubble and weeds and stuff, leave it on top so the soil doesn't blow. The rolling picker on the back of the plow that Steve sent a pic of, will make the best addition to a sweep plow over a set of drag behind tines. IT will help leval out the the soil that piles up at the upright part of the sweep where it slices through the soil. Also it leaves little indentions to catch rain when ot does cone on the High Plains.
In moisture conservation a single sweep setup is better that a converted chiesel plow setup like the one in Steves pic. The less you open up the soil the better.
One neat thing about a sweep plow is watching weeds wilt and start dieing in one round while you are plowing with it. Quinstar makes one of the best sweep plows IMHO. Hope this helps.
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John A.

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Allan in NE

09-01-2005 02:39:12




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 Re: Okay, You Dryland Guys in reply to John A., 08-31-2005 20:45:50  
Hi John,

No, I didn't buy that outfit; the machinery dealer talked me right out of it because they don't give the weed control that I want.

All I can go by is what my neighbors around here do and the cleanest fields are those consistently producing the highest yeilds and are also those that get that trash turned under.

This soil isn't sand but rather heavy black loam, so I'm gonna plow it.

Bought an 18' Vibrashank with 6" sweeps and also a 24' spring tooth, just in case I have to tie a field down after a hard beating rain.

Allan

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Steve KS

08-31-2005 11:13:55




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 Re: Okay, You Dryland Guys in reply to Allan in NE, 08-31-2005 05:35:32  
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Hey Allan, down here in Kansas, a lot of guys use "fallowmasters" like the one here. It's not a very good picture, but you get the idea. I'm sure someone else can explain them better than I can, but they're basically a combination of several tillage tools. Most of them I've seen came from a place called Quinstar, which were made in Kansas, I believe they were bought out by a place in Nebraska. I don't know if they still make them or not. Sunflower makes one similar and I'm sure there's others making them. They're pretty common around here at auctions.

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Glen in TX

08-31-2005 08:11:16




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 Re: Okay, You Dryland Guys in reply to Allan in NE, 08-31-2005 05:35:32  
Allan, Here many would use a stubble mulch sweep like the noble blades Coloken is talking about. Miller, Sunflower, and others made those. Most here will run 18" or 22" low crown wheatland sweeps on a 3 bar or 4 bar high clearance chisel type rig with the rotary pickers or harrows on back. With one of those you can also switch and run 6" duckbills or chisel points if needed too. Lots of companies made the chisel rigs in 3 point or drag type, Krause, Rollacone, JD, Case-IH, Bigham, Sunflower, Miller, & Graham Hoeme. Field cultivators are nice but just not enough trash clearance and won't take the ground unless its already loose. Some examples at: Link or Link

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Wyokid

08-31-2005 07:50:41




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 Re: Okay, You Dryland Guys in reply to Allan in NE, 08-31-2005 05:35:32  
Allen,
Ya need what's usually called a "chisel", generally 3 or 4 ranks of kinda C shaped shanks 2 or so inches wide and about a inch thick. I usually make the first trip thru after plowing with straight chisel point and then switch to 16" wide sweeps for better weed control. Lots of old Graham Hoeme around. Have you have been to Gary's Used equipment in Bridgeport? They have literally acres and acres of used stuff of all kinds of equipment ranging from scrap iron to pretty useable, I bought a 29' JD 1600 chisel there for a good price.

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Coloken

08-31-2005 05:54:30




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 Re: Okay, You Dryland Guys in reply to Allan in NE, 08-31-2005 05:35:32  
I call that a spring tooth. Very handy to kill small weeds, like after a rain. Not a primary summer fallow machine. What is that machine in the back row, to the left of the balers? I like a Nobel blade. Thats like 3-- 6 foot sweeps. leaves trash on top. Best weed killer is miller bar, other names, which is a rod weeder with points on it to penitrate. Standard machine is a sweep plow, with like 16 inch sweeps (duck feet). Old grahem-hemey (sp?) or jefferys still work. A lot depends on your soil type there. A noble blade may not scour there. See what others are using. Irrigated farmer here keep trying to summer fallow with their tandem disk. To me that is the worst machine. Never kills all the weeds 100 percent, but leaves a few. Chops up all the trash and rots it, which is the wrong thing for summer fallow. Kenny

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Allan in NE

08-31-2005 13:15:29




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 Re: Okay, You Dryland Guys in reply to Coloken, 08-31-2005 05:54:30  
Hey Ken,

I know I'm running at this thing like a bull in a china closet, but this is what I've done.

I went into the equipment dealer and talked at length with their salesman who also farms dryland in these parts.

Explained to him 'bout my "pickiness" and how I cannot stand either the weeds nor the "trash farming".

Anyway to make a long story short, and since I'm just a little guy who likes to use other folk's trade ins, I bought a new style vibrashank with the 6" duckfeet on 6" centers. Also, a noble spring tooth for the "crust busting".

Maybe this will at least get me off dead center and I'll be able to put some wheat in the ground.

Allan

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Coloken

08-31-2005 13:47:34




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 Re: Okay, You Dryland Guys in reply to Allan in NE, 08-31-2005 13:15:29  
Oh boy! If you do not like trash farming, you and I are at oposite ends. You are going to stir the soil so much that you will loose all the moisture. I hope you have soil that does not blow. Had BIL that was a great wheat farmer, used moleboard plow and rod weeder. Clamed moleboarding was cheapest in the long run.



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Allan in NE

08-31-2005 15:52:43




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 Re: Okay, You Dryland Guys in reply to Coloken, 08-31-2005 13:47:34  
Yeah,

I did kinda make it sound like I was gonna whip the place into butter, didn't it? :>)

The only reason I bought that spring tooth was in case I need to tie down some blowing dirt in a hurry. Also, I'll need that gizmo fer the alfalfa fields when they get full of cheat grass.

Allan



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Coloken

08-31-2005 21:24:54




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 peace in reply to Allan in NE, 08-31-2005 15:52:43  
Peace



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RustyFarmall

08-31-2005 06:22:51




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 Re: Okay, You Dryland Guys in reply to Coloken, 08-31-2005 05:54:30  
The machine in the back row appears to be a V-ripper, used for breaking up hardpan. Takes a BIG tractor.



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Chad Franke

08-31-2005 06:06:53




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 Re: Okay, You Dryland Guys in reply to Coloken, 08-31-2005 05:54:30  
I'm with Coloken, we always used a blade machine, picture below. One of the tricks to dryland farming is save the soil moisture you have, you will need it. Don't disturb the surface any more than you have to, don't eliminate residue. Of course, I am used to sandy soil, and we had to prevent blowing too, but one of these was used on the land at least once a year. Might be different based on your soil.

We never did use a spring tooth, know several neighbors had them, but honestly never have seen one in a field. A disk was for clean up right before planting, that's about it. I remember when we didn't even have a disk until Dad found one on an auction cheap.

Huh, won't let me post the image...search google for Noble Blade Machine, you will get a picture.

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KRUSS

08-31-2005 10:12:11




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 Re: Okay, You Dryland Guys in reply to Chad Franke, 08-31-2005 06:06:53  
That thing in the picture will not clear trash very well. A heavy duty cultivator (12 inch spacing) laterally between shanks with 16 inch shovels works well. Mounted tine mulchers will smooth out the job. If the shanks are all true and the cult. tows straight you do not have to go that deep to kill most everything. 100 hp pulls 18 to 22 feet in most conditions.



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