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Farmer Tom

12-26-1999 19:14:19




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Got a six acre misc mixed field that needs replaced. I'm going to tear up and re-seed with alfalfa and timoth mix. What's the best way to plant the seed? Don't know much about the type of equipment to use to accomplish this task! Thoughts appreciated!




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B.C.

12-30-1999 11:02:31




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 Re: Help=Seeding a new hay field in reply to Farmer Tom, 12-26-1999 19:14:19  
Buckwheat makes a good choke crop to take out what's there, and works pretty good as green manure for what you're gonna plant.

Nearly any forage crop should be top dressed as required, probably yearly. A soil test (and county agent)can guide this. The potash needs to be maintained.



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Gerald J.

12-26-1999 19:52:38




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 Re: Help=Seeding a new hay field in reply to Farmer Tom, 12-26-1999 19:14:19  
Unless you burn down the weeds with an alfalfa compatible herbicide and burn down the remaining alfalfa several weeks before you stir the ground the remains of the alfalfa may limit your new alfalfa.

It works best without herbicide to drill or spread a couple bushels of oats per acre and to plant (at least in Iowa) about the middle of April. The oats keep weeds down by shading them, and by suppressing them. You need to get the oats off by mid June to get sun to the alfalfa.

If you use a seeder instead of a drill, its good to scratch the seeds in a little with a harrow (alfalfa only needs to be under 1/4 to 1/2" of dirt) and to pack with a cultipacker or roller to get intimate soil to seed contact. A drill works better with press wheels than closing chains, though last year I pulled a cultipacker behind the drill and that seemed to work, though without oats (an experiment) the weeds are thick.

Alfalfa generally gets planted 12 to 16 pounds to the acre and I forget the rate for timothy. Last time I put in timothy it was by hand to fill the places alfalfa had drowned out. The horse hay customers didn't jump for joy.

Gerald J.

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bbott

12-26-1999 19:28:09




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 Re: Help=Seeding a new hay field in reply to Farmer Tom, 12-26-1999 19:14:19  
first...
1) you need equipment... disk harrow drill or broadcaster roller.

first you disk, then cross-disk, followed by 2 harrow passes at 45 degrees. when the soil is loose, free of clods.. clean and level... then you plant with...

a drill.... which actually plants the seeds below the soil surface at a highly regulated rate and depth... or do broadcast seeding. where the seed is put into a hopper and 'sprayed' out behind the tractor...

Unless you can borrow one, or have some custom farming done, a broadcast seeder is much more affordable and can usually be used for spreading fertilizer later on... A drill will be expensive to buy just for 6 acres.

If you don't have any of the equipment, and don't have more than 6 acres to do you're better off hiring it done...

There's whole books written on this... check with your local ag agent too.

bb

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Farmer Tom

12-26-1999 19:42:57




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 Re: Re: Help=Seeding a new hay field in reply to bbott, 12-26-1999 19:28:09  
bb!

Thanks for the response. Got everything but the drill or broadcast seeder. Your directions will be helpful. Thanks again!



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paul

12-26-1999 20:42:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Help=Seeding a new hay field in reply to Farmer Tom, 12-26-1999 19:42:57  
Alfalfa likes a real firm seedbed. So dragging (harrowing) several times, or culti-packing is good. You don't want ground hard like a brick (careful if it's wet!), but you want it firm so the tractor doesn't sink in much.

And then, it all depends on the weather. If it's too dry, you just won't get any stand worth having of alfalfa.

As the other person mentioned, if there is some alfalfa in your field already, it is toxic to new seedlings, and the ground needs a 3 month (preferably longer) time without alfalfa on it to produce a good new stand.

--->Paul

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Dan Chambers

12-28-1999 10:49:20




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Help=Seeding a new hay field in reply to paul, 12-26-1999 20:42:51  
With all this good hay info I have a question: how long can you make hay on a mixed field (alfalfa,sweet timothy and orchard) before replanting or taking it out of hay for a year and row cropping it and then back to hay.If I didn't have to it would help since I don't have the equipment to do that. Any comments would help.
Thanks Dan



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highboyford

12-28-1999 19:00:39




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Help=Seeding a new hay field in reply to Dan Chambers, 12-28-1999 10:49:20  
Gerald J is right, Dan a ice buildup is alfalfa worst friend.But everything else just depends,do you fertilize?And also in time alfalfa just dies out now if you are just feeding horses or steers this is no big deal but if your trying to milk well than you would want to replant to keep up production.



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Gerald J.

12-28-1999 16:36:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Help=Seeding a new hay field in reply to Dan Chambers, 12-28-1999 10:49:20  
Depends on the alfalfa variety, the timothy variety, and your winter weather.

Timothy tends to not survive mowing at the rate alfalfa produces, and the most prolific alfalfas tend to not survive winters. A snow that gets an ice crust on top is hardest on the alfalfa.

I've been planting Wrangler alfalfa for years and it survives Iowa winters quite well. Climax timothy is supposed to take mowing with alfalfa better than other varieties.

Gerald J.

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paul

12-29-1999 06:03:51




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Help=Seeding a new hay field in reply to Gerald J., 12-28-1999 16:36:04  
It depends on what you want to get out of your field. Alfalfa slowly disappears. Altho there are some that spread themselves like strawberries, but the yield is mucg lower. And some tolerate traffic or grazing much better, but again lower yield.

With some care you should get 5-10 years out of a field. Tough winter, drought, standing water, too much tractor traffic (esp. when ground is wet) will make the stand poorer. Proper fertilizer, not mowing too late, etc. will make it last longer.

--->Paul

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