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2-Cycle Engine Oil Questions

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cheg

02-22-2003 07:29:25




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I have read many posts about adding 2-Cycle Engine oil to antique tractor gas for upper cylinder lubrication. Last night I looked at 2-Cycle oil and discovered there were many formulations and mix ratios.

What is the difference in 2-Cycle oil for chainsaws, lawnmowers, snowmobiles and outboard engines? Everybody has their specified oil. I even saw a TC-W3 specification for outboard engines - whatever that is. The mix ratios varied from 16:1 to 100:1. The prices had a large variation also.

I settled for an ashless oil. I didn't realize the differences existed in 2-Cycle oils.

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Clooney

02-22-2003 09:53:17




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 Re: 2-Cycle Engine Oil Questions in reply to cheg, 02-22-2003 07:29:25  
Cheg, the main differences is in the blending for combustion temperatures, cold flowability, ash content, anti rust ability, concentration for mix ratios, to meet certain requirements for different manufactures, & for use directly in fuel/oil mixtures or for use in oil injected engines.

~For use as a fuel additive in a 4 cycle engine, bearing load & bearing protection isn't an issue so it probably doesn't matter what you use, it's the slight amount of oil added to the gasoline that helps lube the upper end, valve seats & carb internals. A guess would be an ashless oil might perform better but doubt you could tell the difference.

~As far as engine upper end lubrication goes it probably makes little difference if you use motor oil, Marvel Mystery oil, or other upper end lubricants. The biggest gain with using a 2-cycle oil is it is designed to burn cleanly & not foul spark plugs, designed to stay mixed with gasoline, designed not settle out like Mystery oil, & is designed to flow better in cold temperatures.

~Since my original post on using 2-cycle oil as a fuel additive a few years ago I have received many E-Mails on the mix ratios & type of 2-cycle oil to use & the response is always to just use an ounce or so per gallon or about a small concentrated can per tank full of fuel. There is no real magic number & you can probably use as much as you like right up to the point of plug fouling or engine smoke.

~It does seem to keep the iron carbs from rusting up so bad inside during storage & doesn't cause a plug fouling problem after storage like Mystery oil does. With the added benefit of not leaving the cylinder wall so dry after shut down..

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Wally Lawrence

05-16-2006 16:26:26




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 Re: Re: 2-Cycle Engine Oil Questions in reply to Clooney, 02-22-2003 09:53:17  
How do 2 cycle, fuel injected outboard engines lubricate the bearings?



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John T

02-22-2003 09:09:13




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 Re: 2-Cycle Engine Oil Questions in reply to cheg, 02-22-2003 07:29:25  
Good Afternoon there cheg, If I'm not mistaken, the TC W3 ratigns are for "water cooled" marine engines while the other is for "air cooled" 2 cycle engines like chain saws and lawn mowers. Ive used Marvel Mystery oil in BOTH oil and gas as an upper cylinder lube and liked it in the oil, but in the gas, it doesnt blend well, separates out in my sediment bowl, and seems like it deposited on and fouled my plugs. However, 2 cycle oil, as thats exactly how its used, didnt cause me any such problem and I believe it can help as an upper cylinder top oil lubricant. As far as the mix ratio, I wouldnt recommend you blend it anywhere near as heavy as the 16 to 1 or even 50 to 1 ratios you mentioned, as thats more for 2 cycle engines where it actually lubes the bearings etc. I have added a small (1/2 pint I believe??) can to a full tank of fresh gas and had no problems. In addition to its use an an upper cylinder lube, I believe it may help coat and protect and prevent rust inside the carbs as well. Im not any fuel or lube chemistry man, and it will be interestign to maybe get some inputs from some knowledgeable chemical and fuel men as to how and why they add 2 cycle oil to ther gas and their results. Ive had good enough luck, even if only to keep carbs from corroding so bad, that I intend to continue its use unless we hear its not actually a good practice. Great Question for discussion here. Good Luck n God Bless Yall Ol John T Nordhoff in Indiana

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