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John Deere 4020 LP generator to alternator conversion

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Jim Cochran

03-15-2003 11:38:41




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My 4020LP 12v generator is showing signs of failing. I'm considering converting to an alternator. This is pretty much a standard 4020. It is 12v, positive ground. I've found a local company that will convert a 12v-one wire alternator to positive ground but am concerned about the difficulties of mounting the alternator correctly (alignment, etc) and insuring that the pully is sized correctly for the alternator.

Can anyone give me some advise and or point me to information on this subject?

Appreciate it.

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JIm

03-16-2003 12:41:32




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 Re: John Deere 4020 LP generator to alternator conversion in reply to Jim Cochran, 03-15-2003 11:38:41  
Thanks to both of you for the responses. As usual, though, nothing is simple. As I said, this is pretty much a stock 4020 LP. The only kicker I can see in doing a conversion to a negative ground, which certainly would make life easier, is the one non-stock attachment I've found in the electrical system: It has a device wired into the ignition system that I assume is a spark enhancer. This device is a "Hilco Model P". It is a couple of coils, some heat dissipating fins and it looks like a small solid-state module. One wire from it runs to the engine block (ground), 1 wire goes to the (-) terminal on the coil, and one wire goes into the distributor.

Before I switch polarity on this tractor I would like to make sure of what I'm doing with this Hilco device. The tractor runs better than it should for being almost 40 years old. It starts at -20, runs well under full load all summer, etc., etc. Part of this reason for that, I believe, is this Hilco thing. The reason I'm considering converting to an alternator is that I've added electrical load over the last couple of years: in-cab heat, more lights for night work, cab fans, etc. I suspect that if a number of them are operating, I exceed the generator's output, but I don't want to sacrifice the performance I'm getting from the tractor now.

Anyone have any ideas on how to deal with this Hilco 3rd party ignition deal if I switch the tractor to a negative ground system?

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Lee

03-16-2003 03:54:18




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 Re: John Deere 4020 LP generator to alternator conversion in reply to Jim Cochran, 03-15-2003 11:38:41  
I agree with Hoosier, change to negative ground and give up on the expensive positive ground alternator. And expensive one wire alternator too. Just line up the alternator pulley with with the drive pulley(s) using one eye off to the side. Keep it vertical as much as possible and don't worry so much about it. I've done two custom mount jobs and neither one was in perfect alignment but they both work beautifully. If your motor pulley is four inches or bigger then you have nothing to worry about as far as speed for your alternator. I'm using standard 55 amp Delco alternators with a 10 ohm switched resistor to supply power and voltage reference to it. That wire, plus the 10 guage wire to the amp meter is all I use. Do a search in this group for 'alternator', you can spend all night reading about it.

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Hoosier

03-15-2003 19:23:02




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 Re: John Deere 4020 LP generator to alternator conversion in reply to Jim Cochran, 03-15-2003 11:38:41  
Change the system to neg ground so you don't need special alternator. Think all you need to do is change the wires on the coil. On the diesels we used the generator bracket by turning it 1/2 turn and got pulley from JD for an alternator.



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