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Jerry Johnson

01-06-2004 18:01:52




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Can anyone suggest a substitute for tractor fuel? Seems like my Dad said to mix a little gasoline with diesel fuel but I don't remember the ratio. Have a 1945 John Deere "B" fuel burner that I would like try out. Thanks in advance for your help.




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John

01-07-2004 00:24:20




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 Re: Tractor Fuel in reply to Jerry Johnson, 01-06-2004 18:01:52  
I run a half and half mix of diesel and gas in my 720 all fuel. It likes it better than straight gasoline and doesnt burn no where near as much. Doesn't want to start on it, but will burn it with a cold motor as soon as it fires off on gas. I dont think I could get the tractor to 190, doesnt seem to care though. Jet A is kerosene just cheaper. The tractor loves it. Will even start on it. Diesel/gas smells funny, kinda like coal buring and does smoke worse than jetA. To each his own, but I like the odd smell, the diesel smoke when it is pulling hard and the funny looks when it is idiling and smoking like crazy.

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buickanddeere

01-07-2004 07:26:50




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 Re: Re: Tractor Fuel in reply to John, 01-07-2004 00:24:20  
That visible smoke is unburned carbon which is wasted fuel. There is even more invisible unburned hydrocarbons going out the stack as wasted fuel dollars. Plus the soot acumulating in the ports and in the ring lands. The dillution of the crankcase oil can't be good either. Keeping the coolant at 195+F and burning #1 winter diesel if you insist will reduce engine damage. Jet A or B is the way to go.

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buickanddeere

01-06-2004 20:21:43




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 Re: Tractor Fuel in reply to Jerry Johnson, 01-06-2004 18:01:52  
Jet B found in third world countrys and communist countrys is similar to powerfuel. A blend of straight cut gasoline/kerosene/some light oils. JetA/JetA-1/JP4 are various grades of pure kerosenes. Mostly low temp pour point varies etc.



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Ken Hansen

01-06-2004 19:03:38




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 Re: Tractor Fuel in reply to Jerry Johnson, 01-06-2004 18:01:52  
You can use #1 fueloil. Otherwise known as #1 heating oil. #2 won't work because its too heavy. We run our 36 "D" on #1 fueloil all the time. Start it on Gas in the small tank. have the shutters closed. When it warms up to 180-190 degrees then turn the valve to the fueloil in the big tank. If you shut it off or stop it with fueloil in the carb just turn the valve to off and open the drain on the bottom of the carb. When the carb is empty close the valve and turn the valve to the small tank with gas in it. Then it will start just as easy as ever.

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John T

01-06-2004 19:01:28




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 Re: Tractor Fuel in reply to Jerry Johnson, 01-06-2004 18:01:52  
Jerry, Ive never had any good luck whatsoever trying to burn diesel fuel even if mixed with gasoline. It fouled my plugs. Todays Kerosene is similar to the old Distillate or Drip Fuel (Tractor Fuel). Just get her up to around 190 degrees before you switch over and switch back to gas a while before you shut down so she will start back up the next time.

Good Luck n God Bless Ya Jerry

John T

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Clooney

01-06-2004 18:23:50




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 Re: Tractor Fuel in reply to Jerry Johnson, 01-06-2004 18:01:52  
Jerry, about the closest thing you will find now is kerosene.. Diesel fuel isn't a good substitute.. Diesel fuel is blended to ignite under compression heating & not a spark so isn't a very good spark ignition fuel..

~It will run on a gasoline diesel fuel mixture but it is not a desirable fuel.. It should run pretty good on kerosene if the coolant temperature is kept above 190°.. You need a good hot engine to burn those heavier fuels..

~I like the smell & sound of running on kerosene & regularly run my all-fuelers on kerosene..

~Be sure to run the carb dry when shutting the tractor down or re-starts will be a pain, & don't let the engine temp drop below 190° or you will pollute your engine oil..

~Oh, one more thing.. Don't stall the tractor with a carb full of kerosene.. If it's real hot it will re-start but if it cools forget it....

JDClooney@aolcom

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Jerry Johnson

01-06-2004 18:42:34




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 Re: Re: Tractor Fuel in reply to Clooney , 01-06-2004 18:23:50  
Thanks, JD,for the info and for the "warnings". Brought back memories of running the '36 B we had when I was a kid. We have the '45 starting and running good on gas. Do you need to make carb adjustments when running on kerosine? Guess I will find out soon enough but just curious.



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Clooney

01-06-2004 18:55:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Tractor Fuel in reply to Jerry Johnson, 01-06-2004 18:42:34  
Jerry, you ask?..."Do you need to make carb adjustments when running on kerosene?"...>>> Answ, maybe a little, depends on the engine temp, what economizer plug is in the carb, & what you are doing with the tractor..It won't be much though..

JDClooney@aol.com



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