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John VB

04-11-2003 06:20:52




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The fuel gauge on my 620 doesn't work. I cleaned the contacts on the gauge but it didn't help. How do you determine if the problem is in the gauge or the sender? Thanks.




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John VB

04-14-2003 06:28:55




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 Re: 620 Fuel Gauge in reply to John VB, 04-11-2003 06:20:52  
Well I now have 12V at the fuel gage, but when I ground the sender terminal, the gage just sits there, no movement. From what I gather, grounding the sender (or zero resistance) should simulate a full tank. Is this correct? If so, the gage needs replacing. Thanks again for all of the replies.



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John VB

04-12-2003 05:54:37




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 Re: 620 Fuel Gauge in reply to John VB, 04-11-2003 06:20:52  
I did some checking of the fuel gauge and could not get a voltage reading at the gauge with the switch on. I went to the switch and couldn't get any voltage readings there either. How is the switch voltage supplied? I'm thinking it is by the lead from the positive terminal of the coil, number 7 in the parts manual. I must be getting power to the switch as the lights do work, but things are pretty corroded and that may be the source of my problems.

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Clooney

04-12-2003 08:47:27




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 Re: Re: 620 Fuel Gauge in reply to John VB, 04-12-2003 05:54:37  
John, actually the fuel gage power feed wire hooks to the same wire terminal on the ign switch that the wire hooks to that goes to the ign switch side of the ballast resistor. If the tractor runs that means you have power at that terminal on the switch [I believe wire 18 on your wire print. I sent you an E-Mail with red arrows showing the power flow routing.....



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ET

04-11-2003 11:50:21




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 Re: 620 Fuel Gauge in reply to John VB, 04-11-2003 06:20:52  
I have been looking for a gauge for my 520 the sender also reads 0 ohms empty and about 30 full. I found in a perfomance auto parts book fuel gauges 2 1/16" diamater with 0 ohms empty and 30 ohms full the catalog said they were used for pre 1965 chevys. I may get one and try it but I don't know if the positive negative ground thing will matter. What do you guys think?



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Jack

04-11-2003 19:03:10




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 Re: Re: 620 Fuel Gauge in reply to ET, 04-11-2003 11:50:21  
ET: For what its worth I put a alternator on my 520 bout year ago and I had to go with nagitive ground. Didnt change anything on the gas gauge and it still works good.



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MIKE HANLEY

04-11-2003 17:33:00




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 Re: Re: 620 Fuel Gauge in reply to ET, 04-11-2003 11:50:21  
For what it is worth,,,,, When we converted both our 730 Diesels from 12 split 24 Volt, to 12 volt Nev ground The stock JD fuel gages would not work with the N ground. We went to a universal 12 volt gage and sender from J C Whitney for $19.00. Question I have is are you still factory 12 pos ground or are you running a 12 alt N ground?



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MIKE HANLEY

04-11-2003 17:44:15




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 Re: Re: Re: 620 Fuel Gauge in reply to MIKE HANLEY, 04-11-2003 17:33:00  
ADDITIONAL I no longer trust the ground on 50 year old stuff. I run a extra ground wire from one of the sender mounting screws back to the dash. I also run three wires to the fender mounted lights on 30 series tractors. One for each light and the third for a ground. I ground the lights with the extra ground wire from the fuel gage.



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John T

04-11-2003 14:31:03




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 Re: Re: 620 Fuel Gauge in reply to ET, 04-11-2003 11:50:21  
ET, on the galvo type gauges the direction current flows through them makes a difference as to their direction of needle deflection, so they would be polarity sensitive. If they are a gauge that heats a metallic element to deflect a needle, the current direction wouldnt matter. Im not sure what type the JD are, but believe they are probably galvo types, so how you wire them would make a difference. John T

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ET

04-11-2003 18:17:25




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 Re: Re: Re: 620 Fuel Gauge in reply to John T, 04-11-2003 14:31:03  
John, How tough would it be to change the polarity of the gauge? I have had resonable success taking gauges and switches apart and fixing them.



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John T

04-12-2003 06:09:04




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 620 Fuel Gauge in reply to ET, 04-11-2003 18:17:25  
ET, if the gauges metallic case/frame is not electrically connected to either of its terminal posts (ie its ground isolated) and if current direction through it makes a difference, just try reversign how the leads are connected. I getting ready to out of town a few days, let me know what u find out. John T



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Clooney

04-11-2003 12:04:08




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 Re: Re: 620 Fuel Gauge in reply to ET, 04-11-2003 11:50:21  
ET, polarity on the GM [Chevy] 0-30 ohm fuel gages does matter. Polarity also matters on the late Deere replacement gages [at least I'm pretty sure]. Polarity doesn't matter on the original 0-30 ohm [2] post gages.



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John T (Update)

04-11-2003 08:58:09




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 Re: 620 Fuel Gauge in reply to John VB, 04-11-2003 06:20:52  
John, I meadured a sender I found at the shop, not exactly sure what tractor it was for, and it was over 30 ohms one direction and almost zero at other, so a dead ground on a gauge intended for a sender that goes to zero or near it in ohms resistance, wont harm (overcurrent) the gauge if you happen to leave the test ground jumper I mentioned below for a longer period of time as I cautioned you. I had to add a few ohms resistance to my 620 gas gauge to make it read accurately when I installed a new sending unit, but thats probably because the sender resistance was not exactly what that gauge was designed for.

John T

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John T

04-11-2003 07:10:26




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 Re: 620 Fuel Gauge in reply to John VB, 04-11-2003 06:20:52  
Mornin John, First be sure the sender has battery voltage on its terminal that DOES NOT go to the tank sending unit when its turned on. You gotta have power to the gauge before it can work. Then, if you take the wire that goes to the tank sending unit (the other gauge terminal), either at the sending unit itself or right at the gauge or anywhere else, and ground it out, the needle should deflect. If it has power going to it and grounding out the wire hooked to the sensor (the other gauge terminal)wont move the needle, its a bad gauge. NOTE Dont leave it grounded very long, just briefly, the sender has around 30 ohms resistance so a direct ground over currentS the gauge. Often, the trouble is in the sending unit or its missing a good ground instead of a bad gauge.

Another thing to check is that the sending unit assembly itself is grounded. It either is grounded to the tanks frame via its sheet metal attachment screws, and/or theres an additional lil ground wire terminal on it (NOT the gauge wire) that ataches to frame or tank case ground. A bad or open or lose ground wire or if the tank has lost a good ground to the tractors frame could cause a gauge to not operate. Thats why if you direct ground the wire to the sendign unit (assumign the gauge is good) the needle will move even if the sender is bad or theres no sender at all.

How a gauge works is power is applied to its terminal causign current to pass through the gauge (deflects the needle) out its other (non power) terminal, to the sending unit, through its variable resistor, then to ground. So a missign ground or a bad sensor (variable resistor or contactor bad) makes them NOT work even if the gauge itself may be okay.

Ground out the wire leading to the sending unit, and assumign the gauge has power to it and the wire you ground out is good and attached to the gauge, the needle should full deflect unless the gauge is bad. Be sure and check for bad or open or missign grounds at the sending unit and that the unit is actually well grounded. Some have the extra ground wire (other than sending unit gauge wire), others just rely on the tank being well grounded as its attached to it via the mounting screws.

Hope this helps, let us know.

Ol John T Nordhoff in Indiana

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John VB

04-11-2003 12:12:40




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 Re: Re: 620 Fuel Gauge in reply to John T, 04-11-2003 07:10:26  
Thanks for the replies. John T, should your first sentence say make sure the gauge has battery voltage on the terminal that doesn't go to the sending unit? Other than that, it makes sense. I will check the voltage at the gauge, then ground the sending unit terminal and see if I get any action from the gauge. I will post back with results.



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John T

04-11-2003 12:33:18




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 Re: Re: Re: 620 Fuel Gauge in reply to John VB, 04-11-2003 12:12:40  
Thats right John, the gauge needs battery voltage on the (NOT TO SENDING UNIT) terminal. Its (sender terminal) the one that gets a ground via the sending units variable resistor then to ground, which is why if you ground it out, the needle should deflect. Good Luck

John T



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F-I-T

04-11-2003 07:08:40




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 Re: 620 Fuel Gauge in reply to John VB, 04-11-2003 06:20:52  
John VB:

I don't have my information handy to tell you which position is full resistance, and which is full conductivity, BUT, if you take the tank sender lead and ground it, then lift it off of the ground, this will simululate the gauge sender unit moving from one extreme to the other, and you should see "FULL" in one of these positions, and "EMPTY" in the other.

I think "EMPTY" is zero resistance.

Frank-in-Tallahassee
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John VB

04-14-2003 10:47:55




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 Re: Re: 620 Fuel Gauge in reply to F-I-T, 04-11-2003 07:08:40  
Well my tank is almost empty and if zero resistance is empty, I guess I will have to fill up the tank to check it. I am currently getting no deflection when I ground the sender.



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