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24 volt electrical ?

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4020

06-06-2003 10:28:59




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I run a electric motor pump to spray preservative on the hay that I bale. I have the motor wired to the right side battery. Can I just run a wire from the left battery negative post to a three prong switch and alternate which battery I pull off with the electric switch to try and balance the load between the two batteries?

Thanks for any input.




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Bob

06-06-2003 13:09:17




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 Re: 24 volt electrical ? in reply to 4020, 06-06-2003 10:28:59  
If your pump motor has PERMANENT MAGNET FIELDS, it will be polarity sensitive. If it has WOUND FIELDS, it will run the same direction no matter what the polarity if the 12 VDC.

If it IS polarity sensitive, simply connect a 2 prong connector plug to each battery, hooked up with the proper polarity. Then alternate the use of the pump between the 2 batteries... SIMPLE!... no fancy switches or relays needed!

For this to work, there must be 2 wires from the pump motor, or, if one side of the pump motor is connected to the motor case, you must isolate the pump on some type of insulating mount, so it will not be connected to the chassis ground of the tractor, and then run a separate wire from the pump motor frame to your plug that connects to the battery.

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John T (maybe)

06-06-2003 12:21:17




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 Re: 24 volt electrical ? in reply to 4020, 06-06-2003 10:28:59  
Dear 4020, First, it depends whether or not that pump is polarity sensitive i.e. will it run okay regardless of how its wired. You might take a look at the pump and any literature with it to see if its polarity matters (will it work on pos or neg ground tractors). Grounded to frame DC starter motors run the same direction regardless of battery polarity, which is why you can reverse the batterys but they still turn the same direction, but I have no idea of your particular units operation.

If it is polarity sensitive, then you would have to use an assortment of relays and/or switches to switch batterys (both + and -), and it could be an electricians nightmare depending upon the pumps power rating and what kind of relays or switches etc. you have to purchase. Also if its frame case grounded, it may have to be electrically isolated depending upon where and how its mounted.

If its not polarity sensitive, yes you can more easily choose which battery to run it from. It would have to be frame case grounded to the tractors frame or a wire to it with its input power switched via a single pole double throw switch rated at or above the motors load current. Then the switches wiper (pole) is wired to the motors input, while the switches 2 throws are wired to the individual batterys non grounded posts.

See if its polarity sensitive and what current it draws and post back any more questions.

John T Nordhoff in Indiana

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Clooney

06-06-2003 11:11:51




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 Re: 24 volt electrical ? in reply to 4020, 06-06-2003 10:28:59  
4020, you can't do it with a three-prong switch.. But you can do it with a double throw 6 terminal switch or better yet a pair of relays. Remember you also have to reverse the grounds when you change the power source from one battery to the other...Because it is a pump the pump will probably have to stay the same input polarity though so it pumps the correct direction.
~If the pump is a continuous thing then alternating batteries is a good idea. Is the power usage is in short bursts then you should be good the way you are. ~Run it a while like it is & if you don't have a low battery you shouldn't have a problem..

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jimks

06-06-2003 10:38:04




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 Re: 24 volt electrical ? in reply to 4020, 06-06-2003 10:28:59  
as long as the alternator is charging, it doesn't matter which battery you run it off.



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G Taylor

06-06-2003 12:20:32




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 Re: Re: 24 volt electrical ? in reply to jimks, 06-06-2003 10:38:04  
#1 the 24 systems had generators not alternators. And pretty small too, only 10amp but can be rebuilt to 18amp. #2 the loaded battery will be undercharged and the unloaded battery will be overcharged. Makes putting a 2nd 12V only alternator stuck the tractor an alternative , a 12v run/24v start conversion, I shudder to say it a 12V conversion or just swap the leads every couple of hours.



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Steve

06-06-2003 12:43:38




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 Re: Re: Re: 24 volt electrical ? in reply to G Taylor, 06-06-2003 12:20:32  
I have a 4020 with a 24 volt Motorola altennator from the factory.



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