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1944 Model H

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Herman Quonze

06-22-2003 18:22:19




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Mag is FMJ, carb is DTLX, compression is 75 lbs cranking the motor by hand, this tractor was originally an all fuel so might have the low compression pistons, carb is clean, spark is good, have the mag points set to 15 thou, plugs to 30 thou. Static timing set as per marks on flywheel and trans housing. Have had the tractor for about 10 years now and have found it to be EXTREMELY difficult to start hot or cold. What is the trick. Have a lot of other two cylinders but found this one to be a bit of a skill tester. Can these engines be timed with a timing light and plugging off vacuum line from intake to governor? Should the economizer plug be taken out of the carb? Please help if you can and thanks to all who read and reply.
Herman Quonze

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Mike

06-24-2003 09:22:14




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 Re: 1944 Model H in reply to Herman Quonze, 06-22-2003 18:22:19  
Lots of good advice below let me add some more. I would try a differant Mag first. Then test for
an intake gasket leak. I have seen 2 cases of leaking intakes cause hard starting and or cold blooded running out of maybe 15 or 20 H's I've messed with. H's are usually an easy starting tractor even when junk.



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Clooney

06-23-2003 07:34:45




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 Re: 1944 Model H in reply to Herman Quonze, 06-22-2003 18:22:19  
Herman, that FMJ mag is a strange mag for that H.

~Your compression sounds pretty good for an H though.

~Those H's can be a pain to start at times but with the right settings can start pretty good.

~Don't worry about that economizer plug as it only attenuates the bowl pressure when running at part load [not starting].

~On the timing with a timing light, not only is it possible but works well. The only problem is, that sets the running timing NOT THE STARTING TIMING.

~You need to start with the carb & work your way right through the ignition system to get that H to start easily.

~I presume your carb is either a DLTX 26 or 46? If not what does it have [if not a 26 or 46 that could be part of the problem.

~On the carb, it should have a spring loaded trap door in the choke plate.. Make sure it’s there & opens towards the inside of the carb. Then try setting the idle needle to about 1-3/4 turns out from seated & the load needle 1 turn out from seated [at least to see if it improves starting].

~Next try different starting settings,,, try starting with the throttle plate set JUST OFF the idle stop spring [mine starts best there]… Also try different cold choke settings like full choke for 1st flywheel revolution, ¾ choke for 2nd revolution, 1/2 choke for 3rd revolution etc..[don’t be afraid to experiment].

~Try different ignition timing settings, my H seems to like about ¼” advanced from the L/H impulse mark on initial timing for starting.

~Try different spark plug gaps, I have found a few H’s that like about .035” plug gap for best starting.

~Take an old [known good] spark plug & open the gap to 3/16”, then put in one plug wire at a time & lay on teh bllock, then crank the engine. You need a bluish spark to jump that 3/16” plug gap MULTIPLE times in a row for it to start good. Just jumping a standard plug gap doesn’t mean it has enough spark to reliably start it.

~Try different shut down procedures. Most like the carb completely run out of fuel for shut down [especially for better hot restarts].

~One thing that that sometimes works is to turn the flywheel backwards 1 full turn before starting [don’t ask].

~Bottom line is, try different starting settings until you find something that works ON YOUR TRACTOR.

~If you have automotive carbon core plug wires replace them with SOLID METAL CORE plug wires. TVRS suppression wire on a mag equipped tractor is sure to cause hard starting.

~Try thinner oil in the air cleaner bowl [sometimes helps]

~If none of the above helps I would suggest you borrow a Wico C or X mag just to & see if that helps the starting.

~One last thing, for better HOT restarts try opening the hand throttle lever all the way after shut down as that lets the hot fuel vapors out of the manifold, then close it just before restarting.

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phil

06-23-2003 07:57:15




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 Re: Re: 1944 Model H in reply to Clooney , 06-23-2003 07:34:45  
Herman, have you checked the impulse spring on the mag? As Clooney says, experiment. My H starts best with the throttle at idle. Often on first turn, always on second. (I think it dependes on whether it was stopped in the 540 degree spot or the 180 spot.) As a demo, I have pulled the flywheel thru comp very sloooowly & tried to 'not start' it - can't do it, when the mag snaps it starts.



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