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Jim

09-06-2003 07:56:28

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I am going to buy an older hay baler that my old tractors can handle. What kind of horsepower is needed for a 14T or equivelent size John Deere hay baler?

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Jim

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Ravgardner

09-07-2003 06:18:30

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Re: Horsepower needed for hay baler in reply to Jim, 09-06-2003 07:56:28

We powered our 14T with 49 A. There was plenty of power and we could pull baler and full wagons on any of the hills we farmed. Certainly more weight and horse power would be nice. I remember the neighbors Allis WD on the same bailer doing wheelies up the hills and my father standing on the front end trying to keep its wheels on the ground. That was freeky. but the JD A did not get light in the front with a full load. The lack of live PTO can be countered by shifting the wheels into neutral, engaging the PTO and then "spining up" the baler. Then stop the clutch pully while the baler free wheels, engage the wheels and off you go. Sounds like a lot Huh. But it works.

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Jim

09-07-2003 07:13:05

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Re: Re: Horsepower needed for hay baler in reply to Ravgardner, 09-07-2003 06:18:30

Thanks to all who have taken the time to help me out. Your comments and suggestions were just what I needed.

Jim

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09-06-2003 20:01:37

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Re: Horsepower needed for hay baler in reply to Jim, 09-06-2003 07:56:28

Pulled a 14T with wagon behind with 420U. Had problems not going up hills but going down hills with a almost full load on wagon it would push the 420U down the hill with one wheel trailing and the other going 2 X speed, kind of scarry and dangerous. The other problems with 420U was no live PTO and 1st gear was to slow and 2nd to fast.
Later used an IH B414D (40 HP with live PTO) on 14T. This was much better fit as gear ratios were better, plus more HP and live PTO. Also was a heavier tractor and would not be pushed down hills.

Good luck
JB

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RayP(MI)

09-06-2003 17:09:02

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Re: Horsepower needed for hay baler in reply to Jim, 09-06-2003 07:56:28

For a number of years, my uncle ran a 14T Deere with a JD 50, never had any problems. The last two summers my son and I have been trying to get the farm back in production. Have used a 268 Hayliner and Oliver 60T behind a '49 JD B with no problems. That includes pulling a haywagon behind. Also have used both balers on a Farmall 200, although it is a little light to pull baler and loaded wagon up some of our hills! Neither one of those would have made 30hp in their best days!

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JD70Jim

09-06-2003 13:49:18

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Re: Horsepower needed for hay baler in reply to Jim, 09-06-2003 07:56:28

As a matter of cooincidence, my father owned a 14t. he used a JD 420T (28hp) to pull the baler AND a hayrack (not on steep hills, but on fairly level ground) The baler really rocked the tractor, BUT the tractor would pull it. Personally, I'd recomend a little bigger tractor. but 35-40 hp , especially in an older row crop style tractor should have no problem.

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Steve - IN

09-06-2003 10:40:28

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Re: Horsepower needed for hay baler in reply to Jim, 09-06-2003 07:56:28

Jim,

I think the torque rating, not the horsepower rating is the figure of merit for baling hay. Example: a late B is rated at around 27hp at the PTO, while an ambitious lawn mower like a JD 455 is rated at 25hp. Problem is, there's about a 3:1 differential between the engine speed and torque of the two machines when it comes to turning the baler's PTO shaft. The B will do the job, the lawn mower surely won't; nor would you really want to mess with the newer compact tractors for baling.

Other things to consider are: it's a lot easier working with a live PTO for that job, and nice fluffy dry alfalfa, timothy or red clover are easier to square bale than a standard field grade weed mix.

Thanks for bringing back memories of hot, dusty, miserable work -- but good luck with the endeavor nonetheless.

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Gary in TX

09-06-2003 10:37:00

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Re: Horsepower needed for hay baler in reply to Jim, 09-06-2003 07:56:28

Jim,
If its the baler I'm thinking it is I would say just for sake of making sure to have plenty of hoss ahead of it. Something in the 40 to 50 horsepower range. A Deere 2020 or equivelant with live power take off and power steering.
Just my 2 cents

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