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Joe

10-07-2003 04:48:40




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Have a '64 3020 gas negative ground. It has factory ignition switch with ballast resistor but NO bypass wire from the R post on starter solenoid to the + post of the coil. Removed the coil and any printing on it is gone. How do I know if I have a 6V or 12V coil? And can I add the bypass wire for better starting regardless of the coil type? Oh, and it has electronic ignition in the distributor - do I even need the ballast resistor at all? Would a 12V coil and bypassing the resistor give hotter spark while running and be OK for the electronic ignition? I have seen past posts on this but none on what to do (short of buying a new coil) if I don't know what coil I have. Thanks for any advice.

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Joe

10-08-2003 04:41:57




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 Re: 3020 coil wiring in reply to Joe, 10-07-2003 04:48:40  
Thank you 2. I did measure my coil's resistance last night and it appears it is a 6V. So I think for now I will just add the "cranking bypass" wire since it does start a little hard now (cranks a while and fires up slow). If it makes no difference, I may remove it. And if the coil ever goes bad or I have other troubles I might then get a 12V to match the EI(previous owner put this in) and regap the plugs. It does start and run now and I know just like hopping up a car, even though you get more power they never seem to be as reliable as factory. It seems I am always fighting the itch to upgrade such things wether it really NEEDS it or not. Thanks again. Oh, John T. where in Indiana are you; I grew up in Illinois and now live in Ohio.

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John T

10-08-2003 20:32:20




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 Re: Re: 3020 coil wiring in reply to Joe, 10-08-2003 04:41:57  
Im in Bloomington, Indiana. I was in a hurry last time so will tell you now to get the most out if that elec ignition, I would use a high performance 12 volt coil and not mess with the old coil or any by pass. Youre welcome, glad to be of help. John T



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Clooney

10-07-2003 07:05:29




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 Re: 3020 coil wiring in reply to Joe, 10-07-2003 04:48:40  
Joe, you ask...."How do I know if I have a 6V or 12V coil?"....Answer, first look on the coil case [you already did that with no results] so next you will have to measure the coil's resistance between the 2 smaller terminals…. Under 2 ohms = 6 volt [type] coil,,,over 3 ohms = 12 volt coil. If between 2-3 ohms it could go either way..

~You also ask,...."do I even need the ballast resistor at all?"....Answer, that depends, you don't need it to protect the points or electronic module but if you are running a standard 6 volt coil it could overheat at low RPM's & shut down [or even burn out]. You can't run most 6 volt coils at 13-14 volts for long without problems.

~Again you ask,...."Would a 12V coil and bypassing the resistor give (a) hotter spark while running?"....Answer, maybe, especially if you get the CORRECT [recommended] coil to go with your EI set-up then run a wider spark plug gap.

~You also want to know,...."Can I add the bypass wire for better starting regardless of the coil type?"....Answer, there's no doubt that adding a by-pass wire [circuit] will up the coil's input power slightly while cranking but is it really needed??. Probably not if it starts good now. Where that by-pass circuit will help is when you are trying to start with a very low battery.. There’s no need to add it if your tractor starts good now…

JDClooney@aol.com

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John T

10-07-2003 07:02:34




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 Re: 3020 coil wiring in reply to Joe, 10-07-2003 04:48:40  
Good Morning Joe, Lots of questions so I will try and hit on all of them.

1) How to tell if its a 6 or 12 volt coil?

If it ACTUALLY ORIGINALLY had a ballast resistor (in line series between ignition switch and coil) and a by pass circuit, it was probably a 6 volt coil. If you measure the coils primary DC resistance between the lil + and - terminals, if its like 1.5 to a lil over 2 ohms, its probably a 6 volt coil. If its like around 2.5 to 3 ohms, its probably a 12 volt coil.

2a) Can you still add the by pass circuit (R on Solenoid to coil)??

Yes, you could still add a ballast by pass (assuming thats what you actually have) and it would cause increased current to flow through the coil ONLY when cranking then take it back to the intended 6 volts and proper current when running.

That electronig ignition switch (same as points did) serves as the ground return path for the coils - side. The voltage on the coils + side is what you put there, regardless if 12 volts from the switch or only 6 caused by a series voltage dropping ballast resistor. The electronic switch will still close providing a ground return path regardless what coil or coil plus ballast is ahead of it PROVIDED THE SWITCH HAS THE PROPER INPUT VOLTAGE (6 or 12) TO OPERATE ITS CIRCUITS. If it has a lead thats posed to see 12 volts, it should be wired to the switch ahead of the ballast. I think on regualar 12 volt operation, it can get its operating power from the coils + input side??

2b) Will it improve starting??

If you put more energy into a coil (more current) it stores more energy and discharges more energy across the plugs gap. Therefore, if when starting (via a by pass circuit) you put more voltage on and current through the coil, YES you get more spark energy. Im NOT sayign you will notice much startign performance increase, Im just talking physics and energy here saying you get more spark energy if you increase coil current. Again, the electronic switch just serves as the ground return path for coil current, regardless of whats ahead of it (12 or 6 volts) assuming the switch works that way.

3) Do you even need the ballast at all??

YES you still need to limit the coils current to what it was designed for and if its a 6 volt, it ought to see 6, not 12 volts on its input, otherwise it draws excess currrent and can overheat and degrade. The switch is on its - return side and when its closed, the coil will draw whatever current it was designed for at its designed input voltage spec. If its a 6 volt coil and you apply 12 (no ballast) it draws twice its intended current, regardless if you close the switch with a set of points or a transistor. YES IF ITS A 6 VOLT COIL STILL USE THE BALLAST SO IT JUST SEES 12 VOLTS AND DRAWS ITS PROPER CURRENT

4) WOULD USE OF A 12 VOLT COIL AND BY PASSING IT GIVE A HOTTER SPRAK WHEN RUNNING AND BE OKAY ON THE ELEC IGNITION???

First, if you use a 12 volt coil, YOU DONT WANT OR NEED ANY BALLAST, otherwise you are only using 6 when the coil was desgned for 12 volts and it wont store as much energy or give as much spark energy.

FINAL THOUGHTS. If you actually have a factory ballast resistor and by pass system and the original 6 volt coil , I would use the by pass circuit and definitely still use the series ballast, otherwise the coil can overheat. It will increase spark energy when cranking, regardless if you notice any difference. The elec switch (if it has a wire thats posed to see 12 volts???) probably still should be wired up to the switch ahead of the by pass where its 12, not 6 volts. The coils output still gets its ground return path from the switch (same as points). With that elec switch, you couild get by without the by pass as it provides good startign even without it.

If its a 12 volt coil, you should not only not have but not use any ballast.

I have to run, Im taking my dear old 80 yo mother on a 2 day trip so post back or e mail jmn50@msn.com and I will help more when I get back.

Good Luck n God Bless

John T Nordhoff in Indiana

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