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JD A not firing all the time

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jeremy

10-08-2003 19:04:19




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hi i have 1937 A and the cylinder on the flywheel side seems to fire all the time and the other only fires once in a while when idling ,but under load they fire equal is this common ?




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Wind

05-16-2006 09:46:52




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 Re: JD collector centor in reply to north east puller, 05-15-2006 18:33:13  
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Clooney

10-09-2003 03:54:56




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 Re: JD A not firing all the time in reply to jeremy, 10-08-2003 19:04:19  
Jeremy, that is normal on a single carb bore old Deere 2-cylinder. Some are worse than others though.

~The the looser the engine & the tighter the carb seals the worse it seems to be.

~On those old 2-cylinder Deere's the firing sequence is the problem....first the L/H cylinder fires using most of the little available fuel air mixture in the manifold, then a short 180° later the R/H cylinder fires using what if any is pulled in during that short 180° cycle, then a full 540° later the L/H cylinder fires again & during that 540° the manifold fills up again so it gets a full charge…. What happens is during a slow idle the carb throttle plate is almost completely closed so only enough gets through for one cylinder to fire properly. As the throttle is opened up & the engine is run under a load the carb is opened farther & enough gets through for both sides to fire correctly.

~That is what gives the older Deere’s that unique popping sound at lower throttle settings.

~On the later 2-cylinder Deere’s with the 2 barrel carb’s that idle problem of one weak cylinder is pretty well eliminated due to each side having it’s own carb bore…

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Lee

10-08-2003 20:42:39




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 Re: JD A not firing all the time in reply to jeremy, 10-08-2003 19:04:19  
It's not too common around here as I would tear into the carb and fix the problem. Mixture adjustment of course is the first thing to try to get both cylinders hitting at idle. John has covered the 'why' of the situation very well, the solution however may involve a complete carburator rebuild if the problem is not spark related. So you would need to figure out which it was to start with, spark or gas. Mixture adjustment may be the easy way to find that out too. Does the situation change much or at all when you adjust the mixure screws?

If you can turn either screw all the way in and it keeps running you need to rebuild the carb. If you can turn either screw all the way out and remove it while it keeps running you also need to rebuild the carb. You should be seeing lots of black smoke in this last scenario and the engine should die if the passages in the carb are not gummed or blocked. In the first scenario engine should die with a little or a lot of backfiring allowed.

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John T

10-08-2003 20:20:25




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 Re: JD A not firing all the time in reply to jeremy, 10-08-2003 19:04:19  
Jeremy, On the 2 cylinder tractors with single barrell carbs, like the A's for example, at idle it happens that the left cylinder seems to fire stronger than the right, and heres why. The left cylinder fires and then only 180 flywheel degrees of rotation later, the right fires. Then theres that long 540 degree coast cycle before the left fires again. During that long coast cycle, residual fuel can be in the manifold such that when the left piston goes down and sucks in fuel it gets a good supply, however, when the right piston goes down to suck its gas in, it doesnt get quite as much as there wasnt as long an idle time for gas to accumulate in the manifold.

Of course, there can be other causes why one cylinder may be stronger such as valves or compression or the spark quality caused by bad caps or rotors or plugs or wires on one side. You can observe the spark on BOTH plugs and try things like wire and plug swaps etc. to isolate those sort of problems.

Good Luck n God Bless

John T Nordhoff jmn50@msn.com

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