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JD Paint hardner questions??

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John

03-07-2004 19:16:12




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I researched the JD paint and hardner question and still have some questions. What make and # hardner will work? What make and # reducer will work? What are the mixing ratios[Paint: reducer (If needed): Hardner] so a mixing stick can be used? Thanks!!




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Brent

03-08-2004 09:03:51




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 Re: JD Paint hardner questions?? in reply to John, 03-07-2004 19:16:12  
I tried Proform PF 599 "Wet Look Hardener". It does say "Acrylic Enamel Hardener" but no where on the can does it say Synthetic. I bought it at an automotive body supply wholesaler and the guy that sold it to me said it would also work with synthetic. The pieces I painted didn't seem to really dry any faster but they definately do look shinier that stuff I have painted before without hardener. Has anyone heard of this product?
Brent

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Clooney

03-08-2004 11:26:54




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 Re: Re: JD Paint hardner questions?? in reply to Brent, 03-08-2004 09:03:51  
Brent, I doubt that acrylic enamel hardener actually chemically linked up with that Deere synthetic paint to harden it. That would be the reason your paint didn't dry faster.. There is probably an additive in that wet-look hardener to help the shine a little but don’t confuse the shine with hardened paint.. If you want to see if the paint hardened try putting some gasoline on a painted part for about 1-2 hours or so..

~We just addressed this a few days ago - see link..

JDClooney@aol.com

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Brent

03-09-2004 08:13:41




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 Re: Re: Re: JD Paint hardner questions?? in reply to Clooney, 03-08-2004 11:26:54  
Another thing I was going to add was according to the Yost book "How to Restore John Deere Tractors" (Motorbooks) he says "John Deere paint is acrylic enamel and no other kinds exist" This is just really confusing.



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Brent

03-09-2004 06:59:33




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 Re: Re: Re: JD Paint hardner questions?? in reply to Clooney, 03-08-2004 11:26:54  
Clooney, the post you referred to is what got me thinking about the appropriateness of this hardener. I see I have to do more research sorry to belabour this matter. Thanks for all the excellent information!
Brent



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Clooney

03-08-2004 03:57:11




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 Re: JD Paint hardner questions?? in reply to John, 03-07-2004 19:16:12  

John, most all the synthetic enamel type [Synthol] paint hardeners will work in the synthetic Deere paints [I don't know about the fast dry Deere paints though]..

~ If you are going to use JD paint I like the NAPA part #8010 hardener, this is Synthol type hardener. Read the can for mixing directions but most are 1 part hardener to 8 parts unreduced paint. I would also recommend using the NAPA Synthol reducer as opposed to JD reducer as the paint seems to lay down better... NAPA does have different temperature range reducers available….

8005- (55-80 degrees)--[fast drying]
8004- (70-90 degrees)-- [medium drying]--- Probably close to what Deere's reducer is…


~On the mixing ratios: That is kind of determined by your painting equipment, painting technique, air pressure, painting conditions, air temperature.. The hardener usually remains at 1oz hardener to 8oz paint but the reducer ratio can vary a little. I usually use a mixing ratio of 8 paint, 1 hardener, 2-3 of reducer but have dropped back top as low as 1 of reducer if the Deere paint is thin like on the Deere yellows.. My best suggestion on the reducer ratio is to start at 8 paint, 1 hardener, & 2 reducer, then paint a test piece & see how the paint lays down & glosses out [once you see how it paints out you can adjust the reducer ratio].. Don’t try to paint it out flat to begin with, some orange peel is normal with enamel paint when spraying & it should lay down flat while flashing off..

~OK now on that hardener… Be real careful with the stuff, [paint hardener contains Isocyanates] .. Isocyanates are very bad for your health & should always be kept off the skin & out of the lungs.. Personally I use a pressurized fresh air pump & full face mask & keep my skin covered while painting with anything containing Isocyanates.. See heath & safety risks before using any paint hardeners.. Even most canister type masks don’t do a decent job of filtering out Isocyanates in the breathing air..

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John

03-08-2004 15:36:42




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 Re: Re: JD Paint hardner questions?? in reply to Clooney, 03-08-2004 03:57:11  
Thanks Clooney!!! I do have an air pump with the resporater. Did you ever brush it with hardner? I have brushed Imron before (On something that didn't have to be perfect) with ok results.



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Clooney

03-08-2004 15:55:29




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 Re: Re: Re: JD Paint hardner questions?? in reply to John, 03-08-2004 15:36:42  
John, yes, I have brushed it with hardener in it.. I brush almost all bolt or nut heads after installing. If the bolts or nuts are painted before installation they chip so I only epoxy prime, then install, then touch-up paint with a brush.. When I brush I don't thin but do use a hardener.. I then put the touch-up container [I use a baby food jar] in the refrigerator [as long as my wife doesn't catch me]. By doing that the hardener won't set the paint off & I can get about 3 weeks on the mixed paint before it goes hard..

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Henry J

03-07-2004 19:22:22




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 Re: JD Paint hardner questions?? in reply to John, 03-07-2004 19:16:12  
John

I can't recall the no. on the hardner but it says synthetic enamel hardner on the side of the can.

As for the reducer, NAPA can get or has an economical reducer. If no one posts it tonight I will get the no. from the barn tomorrow and post what I use.



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