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John T

03-27-2004 10:13:25




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Hi Gang, Welllll l this is sort of tractor related cuz I use my motorhome to go to tractor shows? Anywho, in my motorhome I ocassionally detect this very very very slight "hint" of an LP gas smell and kinda know the general area. Its so slight I cant even say for sure that it is LP Gas is one of the problems, but it the only scent my old sniffer can suspect. Right on the floor in the general area of where I think I "might" smell it I have one of those automatic shut off safety LP Gas Detectotrs and it works but its NEVER tripped out (except when I purposely directed LP near it for a test).

In the area where I "think" I may smell gas is the furnace and above it is the LP refrigerator, I have soaked EACH AND EVERY fitting, valve, union, junction, coupling etc etc with warm soapy water bubbles and have not to get one bubble expandign or anything whatsoever. The only problem with the furnace is that the actual turn the gas on solenoid (its an electronic ignition type, NOT a pilot light type) is deep in the bowells of the furnace where I cant see or get to it. On the refrigerator, I can get to its turn on solenoid and it dont make any bubbles.

Sooooo o my questions are:

1) Any other tests besides warm soapy soap bubbles anyone can recommend????? (Guess I could go buy the regular spray the LP guys use)

2) Anyone had any experienc or problems with failure of the auto electric solenoids in the automatic elec ignition (NON pilot light) type furnaces??? I think I will shut off the needle valve type shut off to the furnace altogether once Im sure we dont need it (but my 80 yo mother may be going with us soon and she needs lots more heat than we ever would). However, if they dont leak I hate to ever screw them at all, but that would at least eliminate maybe a leaky internal solenoid !!!!! !!!!! !!

3) LP is heavier than air and would settle down right?????

I dont think its hazardous whatsoever or I wouldnt use it, and the safety LP Detector works, and Ive never really smelled it much if any (just that very very slight hint has me curious). I first noticed it last year and we used it extensively and it never got worse and usually I dont even detect it.

We may have to take a short trip to Kankakee Ill next week cuz my cousin (like a brother to me) may be undergoing heart by pass surgery is why Im curious about campers safety.

Im all ears, thanks gang n God Bless yall

John T Nordhoff

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Russ

03-28-2004 12:28:57




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 Re: LP Gas Leak in reply to John T, 03-27-2004 10:13:25  
John T.; You ought to know better then to ask for advice in this area. I have read many of your strings and if you don't already have the answer then there is no answer.
But just in case any of us out here can help here goes. Can you make a propane ventilator duct into the suspect area of your RV? Like an inboard boat engine ventilator system. Just power up a 12V DC vent fan to draw down the Mercaptor or whatever slight waft you have there.
Any chance of positioning a mine safety canary in a few critical RV area's? You know John T. you
may have to live with a little waft now and then.
Good luck.

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ricky

03-28-2004 07:11:38




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 Re: LP Gas Leak in reply to John T, 03-27-2004 10:13:25  
The best way to determine if you have a leak is by having a leak test performed on the system. The way this is done is by placing a low pressure guage (one that reads ounces or inches of water column) in the system and then turn off all pilots. After you have pressured up the system loosen up the pol connection at the bottle or tank this will release the higher pressure trapped between the regulator and the bottle valve leave this connection loose. The regulator is at lock up and the seat should keep the gas pressure from seeping back through the loose pol. If it seeps back through the regulator then the regulator seat is not holding and the regulator should be replaced (note if there is a leak on the system once the pressure drops below lock up of the regulator all pressure will be released from the regulator). Once the system is pressured up it should hold for 15 minutes. If it doesn't then you have a leak and then you have to start tracing down areas that are likely sources. You may have to isolate and cap off appliances and start the test over until it holds. This procedure will only work if you have a single stage regulator. The best way to find out which regulator you have is to look at the number of vent openings located on the regulator. If you only see one located on the regulator than it is a single stage. If your regulator has 2 different vent openings located on it then it is a 2 stage or integral regulator and there is no way to bleed the higher pressure trapped between the 1st & 2nd regulators and the above procedure can not be used. If you have a local propane company you use, you may ask them if they can perform the test. Some companies don't work on motorhomes or travel trailers because of the time it takes to make repairs and they don't carry parts for appliances. They will usually refer them to a RV place. Some plumbers may also be willing to do a leak test. The answer is always no until you ask. If your leak test holds you could still possibly have a leak at one of the pilot connections or burner connections on the appliances. Those connections have to be checked with the appliance in use. It is true that in alot of the older tanks that you can smell when you are getting low. I don't recommend waiting to smell the bottom of your tank to call for a propane delivery. By this time you usually have less than 10 percent and you may run out. If that happens most companies have to perform a leak test on your system before a delivery is made and they usually charge for that. Most propane tanks have a working guage and should be checked weekly during winter and every 2 to 3 weeks in the summer. Hope this information is useful. Good luck.

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Kerry

03-27-2004 20:17:33




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 Re: LP Gas Leak in reply to John T, 03-27-2004 10:13:25  
John,

You and Clooney have helped so many people on this forum I almost feel guilty that I don't have a better answer! ;-)

If you just can't find it, you might take it by a local propane place. They have a little sniffer tool that can detect a leak that's too slow for soap bubble to show. You might call around first to make sure they have it. It's kinda' like what a/c guys use to sniff out Freon. If a propane place doesn't have it, maybe an RV place will have one.

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Tom in Mo.

03-27-2004 19:37:15




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 Re: LP Gas Leak in reply to John T, 03-27-2004 10:13:25  
The stuff that makes propane stink is an added chemical Mercaptan (?). When any propane tank gets around 5% or less liquid fill the Mercaptan smell gets strong even thru the burning of the pilots. Mercaptan is heavier than propane and will settle in older tanks. If this is an older tank, the smell will be stronger due to the accumulated added chemical.
I use propane for cooking and heat in my house off of an old tank. I don't have to check the tank gauge to know when it's time to call for a refill; when I can smell it in the house off of the pilots, it's time for a refill.
Note: this is just an alternatative for the smell and doesn't mean you couldn't have a leak!

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Henry J

03-27-2004 15:03:06




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 Re: LP Gas Leak in reply to John T, 03-27-2004 10:13:25  
John

I was plagued with the slight smell of that sutff inside my fifth wheel. I just knew it was there, especially when I pulled off the road after a run. My detector did go off occassionally.

One day it got terrible and I noticed the smell outside also.

So it was time to crawl underneath and start at the tanks and go from there. I found a bodatious leak where the feeder/main line from the tanks hit a place/manifold where three lines hook up to go inside to the appliances. One of the flare fittings was cracked at the flare.

Anyway, that just goes to prove that the leak could be outside and underneath but confined and show up inside as well.

That stuff you are using for leak detector should work fine.

Good Luck and don't fall in the Kankakee river, it looks so shallow that you may hit your (bleep bleep) on a rock.

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