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Can you roll in mains on a 466D

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Jimmy

01-25-2004 07:19:44




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Being dumber than a brick runs in our family. I want to do an inframe on a 466D John Deere engine. If journals look good and the oil clearance is with in specs should I put in mains and rods? If they are not within spec,How can I tell if oversized main bearings have been used in the past. I see all time about rolling in a new set of mains exactly how does that work. I know the best is to remove the engine and do a complete overhaul but do not have the stuff to handle this rig.

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buickanddeere

01-25-2004 19:46:29




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 Re: Can you roll in mains on a 466D in reply to Jimmy, 01-25-2004 07:19:44  
If you insist, mark the main and rod caps before taking anthing apart. Can't mix and match, they are machined together as an unique unit.



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jd guy

01-25-2004 18:53:09




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 Re: Can you roll in mains on a 466D in reply to Jimmy, 01-25-2004 07:19:44  
jimmy, undersized bearings should have the size(.010,.020,etc)stamped on the outside of the bearing shell..the way i have rolled the bearings out is with a cotter pin.bend each one of the legs of the pin and insert the head in the oil hole of the crank journal..turn the crank and as the pin makes contact with the bearing it will push (roll) it out the other side.do the reverse to reinstall the new bearing.make sure the tab on the bearing shell is facing opposite of the side you are pushing when removing the bearing..

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Heat Houser

01-25-2004 16:38:56




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 Re: Can you roll in mains on a 466D in reply to Jimmy, 01-25-2004 07:19:44  
Be sure to use new rod bolts. The rod bolts use the torque/turn method and are stretched to achieve the correct level of clamping force. If you reuse the old bolts, you end up stretching them twice. Due to this second elongation, they will fail and send a rod out the side of the block.



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Roger

01-25-2004 10:34:00




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 Re: Can you roll in mains on a 466D in reply to Jimmy, 01-25-2004 07:19:44  
I've done that to several 30 series Case tractors. I have an ad from the local Deere dealer saying if you have a 30,40 or 50 series with more than 4000 hours to consider an underhaul, my 4440 has almost 6000 so maybe I should consider it. You can't tell me the dealer splits a tractor just to replace rod & main bearings, they do the same thing you are wondering about. A local independent mechanic did it all the time. I use a small flat screwdriver to push on the bearing shell opposite of the tab on one end of the shell to get it moving, be careful you don't slip & scratch the crank journal..... ..Roger

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jdemaris

01-25-2004 07:41:36




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 Re: Can you roll in mains on a 466D in reply to Jimmy, 01-25-2004 07:19:44  
The bearings will have numbers on them, and if from Deere, might have Deere part numbers. Most brands of bearings, if undersize, will be marked so - e.g. & i.e. .010, .020, etc. Deere used to sell slightly undersize bearings for doing in-frame work where some wear was evident, e.g. .001 and .002 undersize, but I don't know if they're made anymore. If you don't have good measuring tools, get some Plastigauge - it works well enough and is cheap. As far as bearing inspection goes, look to see that the crank journals are smooth. If any serious wear is evident you'll see it. Also, check the backs of the rod bearings and the rod-surface and look for any evidence of bearing-shell movement. Rods on the bigger diesels can get out of round, espcially if a bearing has been spun or has been hammering. No big deal to shave the caps and resize them if necessary. For the mains, check for pitting, especially on the uppers, and also check for-and-aft movement and make sure the thrust bearing is okay. On some engines, the thrust bearings inserts are separate from the crank journal bearing, and on others it's all one piece. As far as spinning the main bearings in or out . . . make a little tool out of a small machine screw, like a size 8/32, 10/24 or something. Pick one that will fit into an oil journal hole, and grind the head of screw flat (and probably at an angle) so, you can stick it in an oil journal hole, rotate the crankshaft, and it will travel up, around out of sight, and push the bearing out. Make SURE the bolt head is ground flat enough so it fits between the crank and block with no interference.

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Jimmy

01-25-2004 14:48:31




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 Re: Re: Can you roll in mains on a 466D in reply to jdemaris, 01-25-2004 07:41:36  
Do you take all of the main caps off at once are only the one you are rolling in.

JIM



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Roger

01-25-2004 17:16:34




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 Re: Re: Re: Can you roll in mains on a 466D in reply to Jimmy, 01-25-2004 14:48:31  
No, I would'nt, maybe only the ones next to the one you're doing at the moment, but not all at once.



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Bob

01-25-2004 15:54:01




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 Re: Re: Re: Can you roll in mains on a 466D in reply to Jimmy, 01-25-2004 14:48:31  
I use a small brass screw, with the head flattened to one side a bit, so the threaded part will fit in the angle-drilled oiling passage, and the head will catch the bearing shell and rotate it out of the block.

I loosen all the main cap bolts a fraction of a turn, then remove and replace one cap at a time. You would not want to remove all of the caps at one time, because, while the crank can not drop much, any amount it does drop, it basically squashes down on the front and rear oil seal.

Deere insists you replace all the rod bearing bolts with new ones everytime you remove them, and with the cost of an engine failure, I have been known to replace all the main bolts, too.

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mike

01-25-2004 09:44:20




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 Re: Re: Can you roll in mains on a 466D in reply to jdemaris, 01-25-2004 07:41:36  
I may a set of new brgs left over from overhaul kit , i had to have my crankshaft turned so didn't use these , call me 816-586-2841 iwth your brgs size thanks mike



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Jim

01-25-2004 14:44:46




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 Re: Re: Re: Can you roll in mains on a 466D in reply to mike, 01-25-2004 09:44:20  
It will be a few days before I know will call then

Jim



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