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1010 fuel gauge wiring

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kevin phillips

05-01-2004 12:43:17




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I picked up a new fuel gauge for my 1960 1010 gas tractor.The old gauge woked sporadically when I tapped on it.the old gauge had 2 posts on the back,one for the sender and one for the ignition.
the new gauge has three posts ign, sender and a ground post.I hooked up the gauge and wired a ground but the needle goes past empty when I turn on the ignition.The tractor is very original and is still positive ground, all the wiring is in good condition.I tried switching the wires on the ign and sender terminals but the result was the same.I'm thinking maybe the gauge is neg ground?
I did not try switching the ground wire and ign wires, I thought I might burn up something, Anyone else seen this?

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John T

05-02-2004 09:03:57




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 Re: 1010 fuel gauge wiring in reply to kevin phillips, 05-01-2004 12:43:17  
Kevin, for one thing, a fuel gauge MUST be matched with the correct ohms resistance value (typical maybe 0 to 35 ohms range approximate) tank sendign unit for it to read correctly. If your new gauge isnt the same as the old i.e. if it were designed for a different resistance tank sender (variable resistor depending on float level), it will not be accurate. If the gauge you purchased is original equipment Deere for your tractor, it ought to match up with the sender (assuming sender is good) and work. I have seen some gauges having an extra ground terminal which is just the ground return path for an internal light, not sure what yours has. The working gauge terminals causing needle deflection are the IGN (voltage when Ignition switch is ON) and SENDER (ground return path via the tanks variable resistor).

Second, regardign polarity: If its a bi metal type in which current flow (regardless of direction) produces heat and deflects a metal strip, the polarity wouldnt matter regardign the direction of needle deflection. HOWEVER, if its a galvo type, whereby current flow produces a N/S magnetic field (dependant upon currents direction) the polarity would have to be correct.

The gauge works cuz when the ignitions ON voltage is applied to one gauge terminal while the other terminal leads to the tanks float level operated variable resistor sending unit, and then to frame ground for the return current path. If you have voltage to the gauge, you test its basic operation by connecting the TO SENDER terminal to dead ground and then totally open/disconnected, and it should deflect approximately from Full to Empty depending on its design.

Often, if you cant buy the exact gauge to match the sender you have, you have to buy BOTH a new gauge and sender which are designed to work together havign the correct resistance values.

You might check with Deere to see if its the correct gauge for YOUR TRACTOR (Including Polarity), if not and you cant buy the correct one, you may have to buy BOTH an after market generic Gauge and matched Sender.

Good Luck n God Bless

John T jmn50@msn.com

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Loren NC

05-02-2004 03:02:17




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 Re: 1010 fuel gauge wiring in reply to kevin phillips, 05-01-2004 12:43:17  
I put a new gauge and sending unit (both generic) in my 1010 shortly after I got it. Everything seemed to be working great so I reassembled everything and added gas. The gauge never went above a quarter of a tank. Must be the sending unit is not functioning somehow, but I haven't gotten the ambition since to tear it all apart again.



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jdemaris

05-01-2004 17:35:07




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 Re: 1010 fuel gauge wiring in reply to kevin phillips, 05-01-2004 12:43:17  
If the gauge, wiring, and polarity is correct, once you turn the key on, and unhook the wire that goes to the sending unit, the gauge should go all the way to full. My 1960 1010's original fuel gauge was self-grounding, i.e. no separate ground lug. Deere told me that a new gauge and sender were no longer available. I bought a universal gauge and sender kit from J.C. Whitney for around $30 and it's been working great.

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Brokenwrench

05-01-2004 15:28:56




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 Re: 1010 fuel gauge wiring in reply to kevin phillips, 05-01-2004 12:43:17  
Did you get the correct guage? They sell a couple different replacement guages. Does yours say positive ground on the guage or the paperwork that came with it for conversion? You could have gotten the replacement guage for the later utilities which are neg. ground.



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