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2-cylinder sound

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Jim A.

07-23-2004 18:20:12




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Just wondering, what gives the JD two-cylinder engines their unique sound?




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Pappy

07-24-2004 16:55:24




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 Re: 2-cylinder sound in reply to Jim A., 07-23-2004 18:20:12  
I have had thoughts of re-arranging the firing order of a JD two cylinder to utilize the principles of the tuned exhaust system. John T has explained this before. We hear the sound of both cylinders because they fire so close together. My thought was to change the firing order to 2-1 and take advantage of the longer exhaust port on number one and the shorter exhaust port on number two. Then we would hear number two and number one firing separately and produce a totally new sound to two cylinder JD's.
This would require a new cam shaft, but it could be done. Anyone want to try it?????

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John T

07-23-2004 19:13:07




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 Re: 2-cylinder sound in reply to Jim A., 07-23-2004 18:20:12  
Jim, that hard loud POP POP POP POP is caused partly cuz rememebr, that may be a 250 to 500 cubic inch engine thats firing and exhaustign out the stack in a couple sudden discharges as opposed to say an 8 cyliner engine the same cubes with a closer series of lesser discharges spread out over 8 instead of just 2 cylinders. Theres that extremely longgggg ggggg stroke and all the cubes that explode then all that CFM of exhaust discharge that makes that unique sound versus that of multi 6 or 8 cylinder engines.

By the way (according to JR and others), when your ears detect that POP POP POP POP, youre NOT hearing each individual cyliner firing (left right left right etc) your ear hears the combimation of BOTH expolsions and exhaust gas discharges,,,,, then the 540 degree coast cycle,,,,, ,then BOTH (only 180 apart) then the 540 coast,,,, then both etc etc etc. JR Hobbs explained that once somewhere, and if you do the math of the firings, and consider ear response times, and the short time between left then right fires (only 180 degrees) versus the lag of 540 between the next firing, it seems to make some sense?????

Good Luck n God Bless

John T

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Duane Larson

07-23-2004 20:40:59




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 Re: Re: 2-cylinder sound in reply to John T, 07-23-2004 19:13:07  
The reason you hear one "putt" for the consecutive firing of the cylinders (separated by 180 deg) is that the exhaust valves overlap - both the exhaust valve for #1 and exhaust valve for #2 are open at the same time for about 50 degrees (for an unstyled A), and the sound you hear is what comes through the exhaust valves thru the muffler - see archived earlier posts for a more detailed discussion.

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I Bleed Green

07-23-2004 18:38:55




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 Re: 2-cylinder sound in reply to Jim A., 07-23-2004 18:20:12  

I can't remember how to post a web site so this may not work.



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Bob

07-23-2004 18:37:29




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 Re: 2-cylinder sound in reply to Jim A., 07-23-2004 18:20:12  
Due to the cylinder and crank throw arrangement, they are "odd firing".

The LH cylinder fires, then after the crankshaft rotates 180 degrees, the RH cylinder fires. Then, the crankshaft has to rotate 540 degrees before the LH cylinder fires again.



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Ken C.

07-23-2004 22:41:49




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 Re: Re: 2-cylinder sound in reply to Bob, 07-23-2004 18:37:29  
That just bumfuzzles me how it don't sound like two pop's and then a long pause, then two more quick pop's. Just looking at the plug wires on the cap would make you think it would not run even. Maybe one day i'll see how it works, just like to here them run. 180 degrees then 540, that's amazing. Just like them radial engines in the crop dusters, all them pistons in a circle and i know they ain't room in there for that many rod journals, the crank ain't long enough.

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JT

07-23-2004 23:28:14




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 Re: Re: Re: 2-cylinder sound in reply to Ken C., 07-23-2004 22:41:49  
Ken

On your OT note. Radial engines have what is refered to as a master rod. 1 rod conected to a piston on one end and a REALY big crank journal. On the crank end of the master rod there are a bunch of pins that are connected to the rods for the rest of the pistons.

Now the cam for that sucker is something else again. I will let a aircraft powerplant mechnic explain that one.

JT



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CJDave

07-24-2004 06:11:15




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: 2-cylinder sound in reply to JT, 07-23-2004 23:28:14  
I'm not sure if it is still there, but there used to be a cut-a-way of the famous 28-cylinder, four-row radial aircraft engine sitting on an engine stand on display in the foyer of a restaurant near the airport in Livermore CA. Looking at that "corncob" and all those moving parts...YOW..!! What a machine..!



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bob

07-24-2004 20:58:44




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 Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 2-cylinder sound in reply to CJDave, 07-24-2004 06:11:15  
Yes your refering to the Pratt and Whitney Wasp Major used on late B-29's and B-50's. There's one at Air Force Museum at Wright-Pat in Dayton. See the link Link .



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