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Joe MD

08-09-2004 12:43:44




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Hey everybody,

I just got my first real john deere. I"ve been in the garden tractor and IH forums for a while, but now I"ll have questions for you guys:

Some Pictures...

Initial Questions:
1) Is it normal to get a little hissing/leaking from the spark plug when cranking the flywheel? Maybe I need a gasket to tighten things up there?

2)I currently have to keep my foot on the clutch to keep it from wobbling back and falling out of gear. I really have no clue how the clutch works.

Thanks in advance,
Joe

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Jon C -Florida

08-09-2004 16:16:56




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 Re: Can I introduce myself? in reply to Joe MD, 08-09-2004 12:43:44  
Hi Joe -
Congratulations with your "new" toy. You will have a blast tinkering and learning all about your tractor. There is a "ton" of information right on this site, and the folks on this board offer a wealth of experience and advice while you work through the bugs.

Yours is a 1941 B. Many of the A's and B's have very similar priciples, the first of which is of course the hand clutch. Just to add a bit to what G-Man said:

The clutch discs are under the flat belt pulley and simply activating the clutch lever "squeezes" the discs/plates together engaging the engine crankshaft to the first reduction gear on the side of the transmission. You should hear and feel a distict mild "snap" when engaging and disengaging the clutch lever.

To get to the clutch discs, just take a wide flat screwdriver, and tap gently on the edge of the cover on the edge of the pulley. Work your way around it until off.

Its very likely that the inside will be dry, rusty and dusty. I take an air hose, hold my nose and blast the dust out. (If its oily, you have other problems.) I like to take out the clutch parts, clean up and reassemble.....its easy and you can do it. Just pull out the cotter pins in the three castle nuts that G-man suggested, put a little oil on the threads and back them off carefully. Then pull out the disc, and plates and wipe them off, cleaning out any accumulation of rust and dirt.

Then reassemble, and just like G-Man said, tighten up EVENLY on those three nuts. With the engine NOT RUNNING work the clutch lever back and fourth, continuing to evenly tighten those three nuts untill the lever starts to click into place. I keep the clutch lever engauged untill the three bolts are snuged up. Then I work the three bolts in; checking as I work the lever back and fourth. It should be snug, and stay in place, but still reasonably easy enough to pull back and disengage.

After you get it where you like it, put in the cotter pins, (probably will need new ones), and try starting it up and driving it around. You should not have to hold the clutch lever with your foot.

Also, many time the pins that holds the clutch lever and the pins on the end of the rod, as well as the "eyes" get worn. Eventually you will want to address those too.


Its not normal to have your sparkplugs leak. First make sure its the plugs and not the compression relief valves you are hearing. (Might try some soapy water around each plug and roll the flywheel over to see if lots of bubbles form.) But you will want to pull the plugs and clean them anyway. That too is easy...just take off the 9/16 bolts (I think) that holds the wire loom cover on and then back out the spark plug. There is supposed to be a washer like gasket on each plug. Gap the plug to about 35 thousands or so. Check them while out placing them on the exhaust manifold or something to get a good ground and roll the flywheel over. Every time that mag. (yours is a WICO "C") snaps, you should get a sharp spark.

Good luck and welcome!

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G-MAN

08-09-2004 16:37:20




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 Re: Can I introduce myself? in reply to Jon C -Florida, 08-09-2004 16:16:56  
I wondered about the petcocks, but couldn't remember when they started putting them on "B", and couldn't tell from the picture if it had them. But you're right, if it has them, that's the most likely leak source.



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Jon C -Florida

08-09-2004 17:03:31




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 Re: Can I introduce myself? in reply to G-MAN, 08-09-2004 16:37:20  
I think, but I'm really not sure either, that the petcocks were put on in late 39 or 40, when the increased the engine size to 179 C.I.

(I'm sure the 35's and 36's did not have them.)

Maybe Stan -Florida will respond to confirm as he has a 41 B, in mint shape. (I couldn't see them in the pictures either!)



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Stan - Florida

08-09-2004 17:40:14




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 Re: Can I introduce myself? in reply to Jon C -Florida, 08-09-2004 17:03:31  
Yep the '41 will have petcocks, and I think you're right about them first being used on the '39 models and thereafter.

Service Manual for the Model B tractors from Serial Number 96000 (beginning of 1941 model year) is SM-2004.

Parts Catalog is PC-330 for all Model B's from serial number 60000 (beginning of 1939 model year) and up.

Operator's Manual for serial numbers 60000 to 200999 is OM-R2005.

Thanks for the vote of confidence...you don't know how bad my memory is, do you? LOL!

Stan

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Jon C -Florida

08-09-2004 17:50:04




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 Re: Can I introduce myself? in reply to Stan - Florida, 08-09-2004 17:40:14  
Hi Stan -
I figured if anyone knew about a 41 B, it would be you! Now going back and looking at his pictures, I can see on the fifth pic, the tab of the petcock just peaking out next to the plug.

(They are on the side in the 40's.. right?) I don't have any in the 40's and my 30's don't have any at all, but my 1950 has them under the pistons. I'm guessing the switch over from the side to the bottom came in 47...or the late styled ones, when they upped the engine to 190 c.i.

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Stan - Florida

08-09-2004 18:12:52




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 Re: Can I introduce myself? in reply to Jon C -Florida, 08-09-2004 17:50:04  
I agree that the change to the petcocks on the bottom came with the late-styled models, probably because of the pressed steel front end support, which would have made the petcocks on the side hard to get to. Our '49 A had them underneath.

Stan



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G-MAN

08-09-2004 13:54:15




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 Re: Can I introduce myself? in reply to Joe MD, 08-09-2004 12:43:44  
Hi Joe. The hissing is probably leakage from around the spark plugs. They could be loose or the gasket washers could be damaged or even missing. New plugs torqued to specs should cure that if the threads and gasket seats are good in the head. On the clutch issue, it probably just needs tightened up. Under the clutch cover on the belt pulley will be three long studs with castellated nuts on them and probably cotter pins to keep the nuts in place. Tightening them one notch at a time per stud should gradually tighten the clutch up and get it to snap in. Try to go evenly on all of them, and don't go a bunch at once or you'll likely get it so tight that it won't lock in at all. Next, with tractor serial number and credit card in hand, call 1-800-522-7448 and order the correct parts, operator, and service manuals for your "B". They have a wealth of information about proper operation, service and repair of your tractors, and your local Deere parts man will be glad to see you have the proper part number when you need to order something, instead of a vague description of what you think you need. Fully three-quarters if not more of the questions on this board could be answered right out of those books, and new owners of old tractors should not be without them. Your local Deere dealer can also get them for you. I know the first urge is to go out and play with the new "toy", but it's well worth waiting a while to get the proper info and avoiding an accident or damaging the machine due to improper operation or service. Good luck with your "B".

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Duane Larson

08-09-2004 16:17:03




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 Re: Can I introduce myself? in reply to G-MAN, 08-09-2004 13:54:15  
Joe MD,
First, congratulations on becoming a JD tractor collector! And second, a big AMEN to G-MAN's advice.



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F-I-T

08-09-2004 16:33:44




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 Re: Can I introduce myself? in reply to Duane Larson, 08-09-2004 16:17:03  
The only caveat might be that I don't think they offered an official service manual on the "B". You might have to get along with the I&T version, which will certainlly be better than nothing! IMHO, the parts manual will go a long way in answering many of your quewstions.

Frank



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DRL

08-09-2004 16:59:43




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 Re: Can I introduce myself? in reply to F-I-T, 08-09-2004 16:33:44  
Yes, there is a dedicated John Deere Service manual for the B. Have one and use it regularly. Covers all the styled B's. Goes without saying, a bit pricey, but well worth its weight in gold. Have an I&T manual also. It is very good in it's own right, but if I'm going to get down and dirty on a project, the John Deere manual is the one that I use.



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G-MAN

08-09-2004 16:41:01




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 Re: Can I introduce myself? in reply to F-I-T, 08-09-2004 16:33:44  
I think you're right. Wasn't the "A" the only tractor of the A/B/G group that had it's own dedicated service manual? An "A" manual would pretty much lay out the basics, and the I&Ts tend to lean toward the "Model A shown - other models similar" mode of conveying info anyway.



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F-I-T

08-09-2004 17:26:53




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 Re: Can I introduce myself? in reply to G-MAN, 08-09-2004 16:41:01  
G-Man: See, now I'm confused. We had a '48 "A" and could not get a service book for it, so wwe had a'60' book that gave a decent overview. Without my handy book of manuals, I was only guessing. I thought they didin't have a service book on the lettered series, but started them out in the numbered series.

DRL: What is the number on that "B" service manual?

Frank



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DRL

08-09-2004 19:34:51




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 Re: Can I introduce myself? in reply to F-I-T, 08-09-2004 17:26:53  
F-I-T,

Stan, of course, is correct. The service manual for the B SN 96000 and up is SM-2004. Had to go on a major hunt to find it. Had it out on the computer desk with some of my other manuals, and my wife decided to "put them up." Had to dig through three boxes of manuals to find what I was looking for. That'll teach me to leave my stuff laying around! For reference to anyone who cares, the IT manual that covers the A,B,G,H,D,M, and MT is JD-4.

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Stan - Florida

08-09-2004 20:01:43




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 Re: Can I introduce myself? in reply to DRL, 08-09-2004 19:34:51  
DRL,

Well, I wasn't quite correct...you're right about the Service Manual being SM-2004 for 96000 and up. I was thinking of PC-330 when I made the post just before yours...it is for 60000 and up, which would be all the styled models.

It doesn't take me very long to look up the three books I have (service manual, parts catalog and op manual), so I got the jump on you, I guess.

Best regards,

Stan Huff
Melbourne, FL

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Stan - Florida

08-09-2004 18:16:46




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 Re: Can I introduce myself? in reply to F-I-T, 08-09-2004 17:26:53  
SM-2004 on the service manual for all the styled B models.

Stan



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