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37G

02-05-2004 14:28:56




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Ok....i've been doing a lot of reading and i have been trying to figure out when they used the 12 spline axles? From what I understand they started with 10 spline and the then 12 spline and then the later styled (after 39) had a 15 spline. Okay so my question is ...is this stuff is even right. I have a pair of round spoke wheels....what unstyled tractors do they go on? 37? Will they go on 36? This is a grey area for me. Anyone who can expand on this topic and better decribe the times they were all used this would be greatly appriciated. Thanks

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JR

02-06-2004 07:05:37




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 Re: Unstyled A wheels in reply to 37G, 02-05-2004 14:28:56  
I have a 38 A that has a 12-spline on one side and a 15-spline on the other. Apparantly an axle was broken or damaged and replaced at some point in its life. This may account for the reason that a few tractors may not have the correct axles.



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Duane Larson

02-05-2004 19:47:54




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 Re: Unstyled A wheels in reply to 37G, 02-05-2004 14:28:56  
37G,
From 410,000-459,999 the A axle had 10 splines. From 460,000-487999, the A axle had 12 splines. From 488,000 to end of production the axle had 15 splines. The change from unstyled to styled occurred at 477,000, so some unstyled A's had 12 spline axles, and some styled ones did also.

If you provide the casting number of the hub on your wheel we can likely pin down the wheel and tell you what it fits. It may be something like F&H HC125B.

A plug here - I am preparing a seminar on wheels, including casting numbers, applications, etc. for the Gathering of the Green winter convention - see their web page www.gatheringofthegreen.com for details.

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37G

02-05-2004 19:53:16




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 Re: Re: Unstyled A wheels in reply to Duane Larson, 02-05-2004 19:47:54  
Duane-what sparked this question is what you said is what i thought....but i have heard of several people who have a 39 A with the 10 spine axles? Did some have this? Or did all? I thought they should have 12? Thanks



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Duane Larson

02-05-2004 20:38:03




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 Re: Re: Re: Unstyled A wheels in reply to 37G, 02-05-2004 19:53:16  
37G,
My response didn't seem to show, so here it is again - sorry if it double-posts...

37G,
According to J. R. Hobbs nice book on the Unstyled Letter series, the last 10 spline was built 7/1/37, and the first 12 spline was built 7/2/37. The 1937 model year went from November 1936 to October 1937, so the change took place about the middle of the product year.

I don't know of any '39 A's (the 1939 model year began July 1938, following a change of the model year in 1938) with 10 spline axles, unless they would have been changed out. About a year would have passed from the end of the 10 spline axle to the beginning of the '39 model year.

But I never say never, however there is no substantiation in the parts books for a 10 spline 1939 A.

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Duane Larson

02-05-2004 20:32:32




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 Re: Re: Re: Unstyled A wheels in reply to 37G, 02-05-2004 19:53:16  
37G,
According to J. R. Hobbs nice book on the Unstyled Letter series, the last 10 spline was built 7/1/37, and the first 12 spline was built 7/2/37. The 1937 model year went from November 1936 to October 1937, so the change took place about the middle of the product year.

I don't know of any '39 A's (the 1939 model year began July 1938, following a change of the model year in 1938) with 10 spline axles, unless they would have been changed out. About a year would have passed from the end of the 10 spline axle to the beginning of the '39 model year.

But I never say never, however there is no substantiation in the parts books for a 10 spline 1939 A.

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JPatton

02-05-2004 16:37:52




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 Re: Unstyled A wheels in reply to 37G, 02-05-2004 14:28:56  
37G
I am not an expert but I have owned a few unstyled A's. I currently own a '35 with 10 spline axle with John Deere 9 bolt hubs, a '36 10 spline and a late 37 with 12 spline. I have round spokes on the 36 A. They are F&H and the wheel has no splines. The splines are in a hub that will only work on that style wheel. My round spokes were most likely replacement wheel for a tractor originally produced on steel. The hubs are identified by the fact they only have one slit. The other "replaceable center" hubs have 3 slits for the clamp ring to do its thing and were used on cast centers and the other style steel wheel.Thes other hubs would be similar to styled G's with the replaceable hub for cast wheeels. The single slit style hubs only came in 10 spline (at least as far I as I can find out). If you have a parts book for the unstyled A, look on page 45 at item 1A. This shows the hub required for the round spoke wheel like I have. It would have also been the same hub used on the origional Steel wheel. These hubs and wheels did not use a clamp. The wheel had a tapered openeing to match the hub. First you locate the hub on the axle that slide the wheel over/onto the hub and secure with six bolts. The taper in the wheel to the hub supplies the clamping force. Caution!!! More of these wheels have been broken/cracked by applying too much force on the bolts than by leaving them too loose. It doesnt take much to make it hold in place. Hope I helped answer your question. As you know, round spoke wheels are a hot item. If you would be willing to part with them.....
Jerry

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37D

02-05-2004 16:22:13




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 Re: Unstyled A wheels in reply to 37G, 02-05-2004 14:28:56  
The early "A"s(1934-late '37) had 10 spline axles. At serial#460000, the axles were changed to 12 splines. I'm not 100% sure on this,but I think the change to 15 splines was at #499000,('41)when they first had a 6 speed transmission. As far as I know all rowcrop "A"s after that had 15 spline axles.



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37G

02-05-2004 14:32:27




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 Re: Unstyled A wheels in reply to 37G, 02-05-2004 14:28:56  
Did any of the styled a's have 10 spline or were they all 12 spline and 15 spline



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Deereman

02-05-2004 14:40:26




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 Re: Re: Unstyled A wheels in reply to 37G, 02-05-2004 14:32:27  
My 1937 A has 10 spline axles. My 1944 styled A has 15 spline.



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