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joeJD

10-02-2004 19:55:30




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I"m not much of a mechanic, but I am trying to remove the starter from our Model M to have it worked on. Does the battery box need to be removed first - there does not appear to be enough room to remove it otherwise ? I replaced the switch that attaches to the starter - but it still does not seem to catch when the starter is pulled. I suspect the part that the switch makes contact with on the starter is too worn to make contact. Does the starter need to be removed to replace this contact point ?

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davidsloan

01-23-2005 15:53:16




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 Re: john deere model m starter problem in reply to joeJD, 10-02-2004 19:55:30  
Joe. I just pulled my JD M starter and took it down to the local auto starter/generator rebuild shop. They checked it for shorts, cleaned it, replaced the brushes and also replaced the switch on the top (Delco parts still available). I think it cost me about 80 bucks. Good for another 50 years.
David



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John T

10-03-2004 05:29:57




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 Re: john deere model m starter problem in reply to joeJD, 10-02-2004 19:55:30  
Joe, if a new starter switch didnt help, IF ITS NOT AN INTERNAL STARTER PROBLEM (worn brushes or armature etc) and assuming you have a good battery cable to it, a good battery and connections and a good ground, the copper post that comes out through the starter that the switch makes contact with may be bad or burned or pitted or worn down excessively. You have to be sure theres no mechanical or linkage restrictions preventign the switch from engaging fully n deep enough. If the starter post is bad, you may be able to file n wire brush it down smooth and cure the problem temporarily, but if its just worn down too low, it needs to be replaced.

If when trying to start the tractor the lights would dim way down and/or the battery voltage drop drastically, the switch and starter post is likely okay, but the starter may have an internal short or a shorted armature. If the switch n starter post arent making good electrical contact, then the starter isnt being electrically connected so it could draw heavy current to dim the lights. HOWEVER, even if the switch n post are okay and the armatures not shorted, if the brushes are worn too low or not being held down tight against the commutator by the hold down springs, she still wont start but that scenario wouldnt draw the battery voltage down too bad.

Make sure the battery is good n charged and to be safe, remove, clean n wire brush, n reattach all the battery n starter n ground connections.

Good Luck n God Bless

John T

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don jdm

10-02-2004 20:18:00




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 Re: john deere model m starter problem in reply to joeJD, 10-02-2004 19:55:30  
I have removed mine without removing the battery box.. Loosen the lock nut and set screw and it should slide back. It could well be the contact part in the starter that is your problem if the switch didn't work. I had mine rebuilt several years ago and they replaced everything so I haven't had it out since I rebuilt the motor 2 years ago.



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