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6 volt battery question

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Jim Presley

11-28-2004 20:39:27




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I have the use of a mid 60's John Deere loader/backhoe. Based on the 3020. It has the 270 4cyl diesel with Powershift. Originally it had two 6 volt batteries in series. The folks that own it had two 12 volt batteries in series. No one seems to know why. If you hook up just one of them, it just won't crank enough to start. Both in series and it fires right up. That can't be right? Since nobody seems to know the history of this thing, I'm thinking of putting in a new 12 volt starter, new alternator, and two new 6 volt batteries. That way at least I know what is there, and it will be what should be there anyway.

Am I nuts, or should a standard 12 volt do the trick instead of the two 6 volts in series? Deere put a 12 volt in the gas model, but used the two 6 volts with the diesel.

Thanks,

Jim

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twopop

11-29-2004 11:14:10




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 Re: 6 volt battery question in reply to Jim Presley, 11-28-2004 20:39:27  
the label on the starter should tell if it is 12 volt or 24 volt,or there should be a volt designation stamped into the solenoid mount.if you can not verify the voltage for the starter,a 12 volt starter has a teminal for the hot cable only.a 24 volt starter will also have a battery cable terminal on the side of the starter,close to the engine block.



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Jim Presley

11-29-2004 21:39:44




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 Re: 6 volt battery question in reply to twopop, 11-29-2004 11:14:10  
You all are awesome, thanks for the info. I'll check it out when I'm up at that property in a couple weeks.

Thanks again,

Jim



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Mike M

11-29-2004 05:57:42




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 Re: 6 volt battery question in reply to Jim Presley, 11-28-2004 20:39:27  
I had one of those once. They are 24 volt.



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HTR

11-28-2004 21:12:37




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 Re: 6 volt battery question in reply to Jim Presley, 11-28-2004 20:39:27  
The 500 TLB (3020 type) prior to 123xxx, or 1969, were 24 volt systems. Two twelve volt batteries were hooked in series.



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Bob

11-28-2004 21:51:00




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 Re: 6 volt battery question in reply to HTR, 11-28-2004 21:12:37  
AHA! That's what I figured!



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John T

11-28-2004 21:08:58




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 Re: 6 volt battery question in reply to Jim Presley, 11-28-2004 20:39:27  
Jim, the reason in the past why two six volt batteries were used in series on 12 volt hard to crank applications, was simply cuz the series combination, having more lead n acid n plates, stored more energy. While given the same design, technology, and construction, the combination of two batteries has more lead and acid and plates and, therefore, stores more energy. HOWEVER two light duty small wimpy 6 volters in series probably WOULD NOT store more energy than a single high rated heavy duty 12 volt battery. Likewise, two sixes manufactured 30 years ago may not store as much energy as a more modern super heavy duty 12 volt of today.

To answer your question, if space for battery mounting isnt an issue or problem and she cranks hard, two heavy duty 6 volters in series is probably your best bet. However, if room for battery location is limited to where you can only use a single battery, then you better use the highest rated 12 volt battery you can find. ALSO, if cold weather starting is necessary and shes difficult to crank and you wanna go with just a sinle 12 volt battery, you may wanna consider the more expensive but higher rated modern gel cell batterys !!!!! !

The series combination, while it doubles total energy stored over just one, doubles voltage BUT NOT either batterys amperage capacity. If you want twice the amps at the same volts, then you go with the parallel combination.

NOTE all the above discussion is for a 12 volt system, either the single 12 or series sixes, but on some diesels they went with 24 volt starters you know, but the total max energy stored talk would still be correct, whether it be four six volt batterys or two 12 volt units.

Good Luck n God Bless

John T

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Bob

11-28-2004 21:04:54




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 Re: 6 volt battery question in reply to Jim Presley, 11-28-2004 20:39:27  
What is the tractor model number???



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Jim Presley

11-28-2004 23:01:32




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 Re: 6 volt battery question in reply to Bob, 11-28-2004 21:04:54  
It is a JD 500, SN SNT158P093405R.

Thanks,

Jim



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