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Help, we got a lemon!

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John Rokke

12-23-2004 12:37:16




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I am looking for advice. I went with a friend to look at late model styled GW. The tractor looked good with nice tin, good rims, o.k. tires, new anti-freeze, and everything was there. It was very cold, just above zero and we did not expect the tractor to start. The JD jockey, who sells alot of tractors and seems like a good guy, said it ran and he drove it off his trailer to its current parking spot. My friend bought it for $4250.00, a fair price for a GW in our location. A couple of months later, my friend called him and told him to get it running because the weather had warmed up and he needed to drive it on the trailer. The guy said it wouldn't run, it must have "dirty gas". So my friend picked it up and took it to a retired 30 year JD mechanic who still works out of his home. It would not run, so he tore it down. There was a large hole in the block on the inside, a piston had a chunk out of it, bolts and nuts were off internal parts, the cylinder walls were very rusted. Obviously, the tractor had been taken apart and then simply slapped back together to be peddled. Now, $6100.00 in parts later, no labor included, the tractor is close to running. The lists of parts is incredible and too lengthy to list. My friend called the salesman and he got hung up on. My friend has no interest in wrecking this guy's reputation by divulging his name but is looking for advice on how to proceed. He will be awaiting your replies. He does not expect even half of the parts, just a good faith effort.

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parrothead

12-24-2004 07:24:36




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 Re: Help, we got a lemon! in reply to John Rokke, 12-23-2004 12:37:16  
Welcome to the club. I bought a JD R from a jerk in MN off an ad on this site. He still advertises a bunch of tractors. The thing was supposed to run well but he said the pony needed a magneto tuneup. When it arrived at my place, it was obvious that it had not run in many years. The clutch was completely shot and not operational, therefore it could not have been pull started. To top it off, there had been an under hood fire that destroyed all the wiring and melted part of the pony carb and mag. To date, it still does not run. I tried to contact the seller but my emails and phone messages were never returned. Never again will I buy a tractor off one distant photo and the "good" word of a thief. Yes Ben Burns, I'm still chapped about it.

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R. John Johnson

12-23-2004 15:53:37




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 Re: Help, we got a lemon! in reply to John Rokke, 12-23-2004 12:37:16  
It may not help much, but I would be sure that he got plenty of free mouth to mouth advertising. I try to do that both ways, so if I am very satisfied with a business or business person I tell lots of people. Good luck to your friend.

John



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RalphinWI

12-23-2004 16:59:51




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 Re: Help, we got a lemon! in reply to R. John Johnson, 12-23-2004 15:53:37  
I would list the condition he claimed for the tractor, and also list the condition in which your mechanic found the various components.
I would then advertise it on a regular basis as if it has not been rebuilt, especially on the sites frquented by this CROOK. According to my buddy there are two kinds of people, those that are honest and those that lie a lot. His motto - The best you can do with a crook is to come out even, but the only way you can come out even is to not deal with him at all.

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Kens640

12-23-2004 15:31:17




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 Re: Help, we got a lemon! in reply to John Rokke, 12-23-2004 12:37:16  
Get a big jar of vasoline & put a large gob on the finger . Now bend over & gently apply to rectal area because you just screwed . He should've demanded to hear it run ahead of paying for it . I can actually hear the magistrate chuckling now . Life deals some real eye opening lesson . Enjoy the tractor it's yours now . Merry Christmas



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Willie

12-23-2004 15:18:29




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 Re: Help, we got a lemon! in reply to John Rokke, 12-23-2004 12:37:16  
Give us the guys name so no one else will get the shaft fron this B#^@*^%@



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Lowell J Schauer

12-23-2004 13:56:00




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 Re: Help, we got a lemon! in reply to John Rokke, 12-23-2004 12:37:16  
As a person who grew up in the area you are now living, would this offender be in a town just west of your town and it starts with a J. If so your not the first one.



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Jim Anderson

12-23-2004 13:49:10




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 Re: Help, we got a lemon! in reply to John Rokke, 12-23-2004 12:37:16  
Hello, Just curious,did this tractor come out of Maine? If so then I bet I know who sold it.Been
warned about such a fellow by my old man,who
lives up there.



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Pete/ME

12-24-2004 03:16:51




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 Re: Help, we got a lemon! in reply to Jim Anderson, 12-23-2004 13:49:10  
Jim, does your "old man" post on this board? I'd like to hook up with other JD guys up here. I'm in Whitefield, about 15 SE of Augusta (and ain't exactly a spring chicken myself.)



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Jim Anderson

12-24-2004 05:29:54




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 Re: Help, we got a lemon! in reply to Pete/ME, 12-24-2004 03:16:51  
Pete, The old man does'nt post on this board.He is more interested in the old one lunger and
steam engines.He lives near Waterville.I asked
him about a tractor for sale up in Me. and told
him the name of the seller.His reply was to the effect that this person used to deal in hit and
miss engines and got such a bad reputation that
he switched over to tractors.The bad guys are
out there so you have to suspect everyone.I
am just expressing my opinion and approach to
this hobby and in no way mean imply that any one
person is a crook.

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Joe in Me

12-24-2004 05:01:05




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 Re: Help, we got a lemon! in reply to Pete/ME, 12-24-2004 03:16:51  
Pete, I am in Sanford in southern Me,a little ways from you.My son and I like to fool with old tractors (John Deeres mostly).we may have already seen each other at a tractor show or a tractor pull.To spot us at a tractor pull look for the father and son team that never wins!



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Pete/ME

12-26-2004 04:06:04




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 Re: Help, we got a lemon! in reply to Joe in Me, 12-24-2004 05:01:05  
Joe-will do! Do you belong to the Maine Antique Tractor Club?



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Joe Guillemette

12-26-2004 08:31:20




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 Re: Help, we got a lemon! in reply to Pete/ME, 12-26-2004 04:06:04  
Pete, yes I do belong to the Maine antique tractor club,how about yourself?If your ever around Sanford,stop over,just e-mail and we can get phone numbers.



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gettin' even

12-26-2004 20:55:33




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 Re: Help, we got a lemon! in reply to Joe Guillemette, 12-26-2004 08:31:20  
Leave a message that you are going to run some classifed ads exposing him in some local, area, or regional newspapers. Then do it, if you don't get any satisfaction. I've seen this done around here. Kinda gets their attention.



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Jason Z in MO

12-23-2004 13:36:22




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 Re: Help, we got a lemon! in reply to John Rokke, 12-23-2004 12:37:16  
If the Seller won't explain his side of the story then I would assume he mis-represented the tractor. I bet if there was a bill of sale it said "as is" and he said he had to do that because it was so old...

Maybe John T might have some insite?

Merry Christmas!

Jaaon



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Jason Z in MO

12-23-2004 13:39:07




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 Re: Help, we got a lemon! in reply to Jason Z in MO, 12-23-2004 13:36:22  
Looks like John posted before I refreshed!

Merry Christmas!



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John T

12-23-2004 13:32:33




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 Re: Help, we got a lemon! in reply to John Rokke, 12-23-2004 12:37:16  
John, I can provide you some generic free legal advice, and if your state has an informal "Small Claims Court" like we do here in Indiana, it might be worth looking into, but dont hold your breath. One advantage of the Small Claims route is the very low low cost and no need to hire a lawyer.

1) Many "Verbal Contracts" are enforceable in a Court but the Plaintiff (you in this case) has the burden of proof by a "Preponderance of Evidence" Also, the doctrine of "Caveat Emptor" (let the buyer beware) would have to be overcome by you and any winesses to the conversation and agreement required to establish (to a Judges satisfaction) the Seller sold the Tractor which he said "would run" and you reasonably relied upon such. However, if you had the opportunity to but didnt try her out yourself, a Judge might still invoke Caveat Emptor (a lot depends on the Judge you draw and his sympathies).

2) If you bring action in Small Claims, you will need good evidence like the repairmans live in Court sworn testimony and receipts regarding the condition of the tractor when you bought it. CAUTION if it would or could still run when you bought it, even if very badly knocking etc, you will likely LOOSE since how well it ran is then NOT THE ISSUE. He said it would run and it would have or could have even if badlyyyyy yy, YOU LOOSE. You would have to establish BOTH he said it would run PLUS theres no way it could have whatsoever (from an expert witness like the mechanic you mentioned)

The applicable law sort of boils down to starting with Caveat Emptor (against your favor),,,,, ,,,which you have to rebut by a preponderance of evidence the Seller sold it as "Will Run" (to overcome the caveat emptor legal presumption in Sellers favor) ,,,,, ,,,,, and then evidence to establish it did not run and what it took to repair it. Another disadvantage you have as a Plaintiff (have to win your case by a preponderance of evidence) is that equal evidence (he said she said = 50/50) doesnt win for you. Also, if the only other witness is a friend of yours, the law doesnt give that near as much weight as a non biased neutral witness, say if a stranger to you was there and could testify under oath he heard the Seller tell you "It will run". If its just your word against his (regarding the sales agreement and it will run), the Plaintiff hasnt met preponderance of evidence.

Sooooo oooo, due to the economics of the situation, it sounds like Small Claims may be your only choice and possibility, and still you have to have a sympathetic Judge (who doesnt favor Caveat Emptor) and prove by a preponderance of Evidence he said it will run but that it could not possibly have (and still hope the Judge dont ask if you had the opportunity to try to hear it run it but didnt, therefore waived any possible claim)

Its sure not a case I would ever take on any contingency agreement cuz its no sure winner or strong case, but it worth a chance in an informal inexpensive Small Claims situation if your State has such.

Good Luck, God Bless and Merry Christmas to yall

John T Nordhoff, Retired Electrical Engineer now Attorney at Law in Indiana

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ChuckW

12-23-2004 12:53:24




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 Re: Help, we got a lemon! in reply to John Rokke, 12-23-2004 12:37:16  
Your friend has two problems. First he made a deal on a tractor that was not running and paid a running price(first mistake). I don't know if the tractor was sold as is or not but most tractors are. However it the seller warranted it to be in good running shape then the second mistake(you're dealing with a crook). The hangup should have been anticipated. He will say he sold it like it was not running unless you have a statement or written agreement. Personally I think your friend is up the creek by dealing with a crook, taking his word and not checking out the equipment.

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