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John T

01-13-2005 19:01:09




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Its tractor relayed cuz how else do we help each other on the net if our puters aint workin right??

Last night my puter was runnin just fine on both cylinders but after the "first wife" checked her hotmail e mail I returned and had a Norton Virus Alert pop up sayin I had the

Backdoor.Prorat Virus

WHICH NORTON (I have latest n updated daily 2005 Anti Virus Program) claimed they could not delete or repair or quarantine. Also, I went to the infected files and, of course, they could not be renamed or deleted etc etc etc or opened different or nuttin grrrrr rrr.

Sooooo ooo I went to Norton website on how to fix the Virus (was a backdoor trojan) and it says to turn off System Restore,,,,, ,,reboot into safe mode,,,,, ,and then run regedit to fix the infected files n programs etc. HOWEVERRRRR RRRRR My puter (I have Windows XP with Service Pack 2 and all latest upgrades) WOULD NOT START IN SAFE MODE (even using F8 or the System Configuration Utility/Processes and in BOOT.INI checking to start in Safe Mode or form a DOS or Command Prompt. I did all the regedit stuff Norton said to do, but only in Regular Mode as Safe Mode WOULD NOT WORK. However, the deleted and infected files n programs reappeared even after deletion.

FinallY I called the Geeks at Microsoft AND AFTER 3 HOURS ON THE PHONE and 5 different Nerds and tried EVERYTHING,,,,, THEY COULD NOT GET IT TO BOOT INTO SAFE MODE. They seemed to agree to fix the Virus the regedit has to be done in Safe Mode.

Its workin now in regular mode and I even had to reboot off my original disc and do a repair to get it to boot at all. By the way, System Restore dont fix it either nor does boot off Command Prompt nor any boot choices off the Windows Boot Screen where you choose from start regular or safe or command modeds etc etec.

Sooooo oooo Microsoft can only say it goes to its highest levels and they will call back in a few days lol (not holdin my breath) The puter works but its slowwwww www. The Backdoor Trojan Virsus says a hacker can have access n control over my puter so I have tried all this both on and off line. I went to a puter forum and the only way those Nerds say to fix it is to download n install the Backdoor.Prorat program itself then set up a fake server then uninstall the program but Im afraid to do all that.

Its workin now so I will be on n off a while. I may subscribe to one of the other pay to scan n repair programs n maybe that will fix it.

Dont get the Backdoor.Prorat Virus !!!!! !

God Bless yall n keep ur puters safe

John T

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gusc

01-16-2005 12:41:53




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 Re: Nasty Virus in reply to John T, 01-13-2005 19:01:09  
I have to agree with CPeter and BillyB, XP is a piece of junk. 98 isn't a lot better but it is true that hackers don't bother with it. My last good Windows was 3.1.1.

Mozilla is the best thing since the wheel.

Using IE and Outlook is just inviting trouble.

I used Norton for about four years and it never stopped a virus even once. It would quarantine a corrupted file but never fix it.

However, I stopped worrying about Communists a long time ago.

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ChuckW

01-14-2005 09:32:04




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 Re: Nasty Virus in reply to John T, 01-13-2005 19:01:09  
Clooney: Agree that ghost is a great program, not sure if date sensative...I have the program...you are correct that go back may be a little slower due to file overlay on the hard drive....guess we can't have it both ways, protection without protections drawback....I've just been saved so many times by errors/viruses you name it. Personally wish there were no hackers or dishonest tractor people anywhere but I know that's not the case. One has to remain with some guardup but also fair minded. Guess there are a few tractor/computer guru's out there...guess I thought I was only computer/tractor geek alive.....

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onefarmer

01-14-2005 08:42:43




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 Re: Nasty Virus in reply to John T, 01-13-2005 19:01:09  
If windows won't boot in safe mode using f8 try this rather dirty method. Start the computer and as it starts to load Windows turn it back off. Make sure you get turned back off before windows loads all the way. Then turn it back on again. It should bring up the option of starting in safe mode. You see if windows fails to load all the way it detects this and defaults to the start options like using F8

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onefarmer

01-14-2005 08:40:47




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 Safemode boot in reply to John T, 01-13-2005 19:01:09  
If windows won't boot in safe mode using f8 try this rather dirty method. Start the computer and as it starts to load Windows turn it back off. Make sure you get turned back off before windows loads all the way. Then turn it back on again. I should bring up the option of starting in safe mode. See if windows fails to load all the way it detects this and defaults to the start options like using F8

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Jonboy

01-14-2005 08:31:56




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 Re: Nasty Virus in reply to John T, 01-13-2005 19:01:09  
Like others have said, maybe F8 isn't the right key on your machine, did you try causing a keyboard error to bring up the option to go to safe mode on startup?. Just hold down some keys when you start your computer and see if that works.



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CPeter

01-14-2005 06:42:26




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 Preventing Nasty Viruses in reply to John T, 01-13-2005 19:01:09  
While I don't claim to be a "guru", I have more than a passing interest in computers. I have found that some things seem to help in virus prevention and still allow you to use the computer to send and receive information.

1st Dump Microsoft IE as a browser. Use Mozilla Firefox, a free download. It is better, faster, and blocks not only pop ups, but with the "AdBloc" extension will strip ads from pages. Also, use the "SpellBound" extension and you have spell checking for forums like this.

2nd DON'T use Microsoft "Outlook" or "Outlook Express". Change to Mozilla "Thunderbird" for your email software. Again, free and better.

3d Get an anti virus program other than Norton or MacAfee. Both of these rate down the list on virus protection. I am trying a program called "NOD32"on one machine, but there are others including "Trend Micro" that are rated very high. NOD32 found 5 viruses on my machine that had been running Norton with all the latest updates. I will see how this works out and then change my other machines over.

4th Get and use a good spyware program. I use both "Spybot" and "Adaware". The are free downloads and again, rated at the top of the list by most reviews. Use both.

5th Use a good firewall. "Zone Alarm" is the highest rated and you can get a free version or pay and get the "Pro" version. Either works as well, but the pro version has a few more bells and whistles.

6th Do regular multiple backups. I run two hard drives and also back up to CDs. Don't use floppy disks for backup, they are unstable.

7th Download and install the updates from Microsoft. These will plug some of the holes. Turn on the automatic update feature in the security control panel. These come in on a regular basis in response to identified problems.


CPeter

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CPeter

01-14-2005 06:48:05




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 Re: Preventing Nasty Viruses in reply to CPeter, 01-14-2005 06:42:26  
This is the link for Firefox and Thunderbird. Try out the tabbed browsing that allows you to have several windows (sites) open at the same time.

CPeter



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ChuckW

01-14-2005 06:22:30




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 Re: Nasty Virus in reply to John T, 01-13-2005 19:01:09  
To add to the discussion, I run 6 computers and have found that windows xp professional is the best program to operate. It is the most stable when adding/ removing programs. John T. try the site ad-adware and get the free download to remove spyware. Also like advised would recommend go back as it will restore the operating systems and changes back to a previous time. Windows xp has a restore feature but not as complete and sophisticated as go back. Computers are like the old tractors, if you don't keep them tuned up they will slow down.

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Clooney

01-14-2005 07:38:50




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 Re: Nasty Virus in reply to ChuckW, 01-14-2005 06:22:30  
Chuck, I do a lot of graphics & photo work on my home computers & at one time used "go back" for a short time on a couple of my machines .. I noticed a distinct slow down on multi-MB transfers & moving large files.. That “go-back” needed to keep track of all those files & used a lot of time doing it.. I Only kept it for a short time as the machine slow down bothered me.. I now use a program called “ Norton Ghost” as that is non intrusive & once the basic system is set up you could remove my complete hard drive & smash it with a hammer & within 8 minutes of bolting in a new hard drive I could be right back to where I was at last back-up.. It will even load my complete operating system & personal folders (as of last back-up) through my LAN line or from a USB jump drive within minutes.. It’s also great if someone would steal your laptop or home computer as you could load up a new computer (minus new driver loads) in minutes & be right back to the same folders, photos & personal information as before.. But as you say “go back” does work if the performance hit doesn’t bother you & as long as the virus hasn’t entered your C-Mos…

Clooney

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Kris A NC

01-14-2005 05:56:31




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 Re: Nasty Virus in reply to John T, 01-13-2005 19:01:09  
Link

Link

Here are a couple sites I found. They might help. Like one guy said...Best way to keep it from talking to the hacker is to totally unplug from the internet. That might be your best solution until you can figure this out.

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Kris A NC

01-14-2005 05:46:20




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 Re: Nasty Virus in reply to John T, 01-13-2005 19:01:09  
Have you tried looking in your process"to see if there are any rogue process" running? If there is a process that is associated with the files you are trying to delete then you won"t be able to delete them. What I do when looking through the process" running is to type them in a web browser under google. If they are legit then it will talk about it being a system process. If it comes up with nothing then you know you got something that shouldn"t be there and you need to End Task on that process and then delete the files you found. So far I haven"t seen any process" associated with this virus but I will keep looking. Feel free to ask any questions. I will try and help as much I can since you have helped me a number of times in the past. Good luck

Kris A NC

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Pete/ME

01-14-2005 03:30:35




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 Re: Nasty Virus in reply to John T, 01-13-2005 19:01:09  
John T. What I've decided to do with the computer jazz is:

Use Windows 98SE
There is no earthly reason to update to XP. 98 does everything that XP does and is more stable. Virus writers don't bother with trying to screw up the old o.s.'s

Never, never open attachments.
From anybody, for any reason. If you need to send pics or info that's not text...put it in an envelope and put a stamp on it.

Use "Hotmail". Outlook and Outlook express are hacker targets.

Don't bother with virus programs. If you do the above you don't need them. They slow up your machine and are all buggy as hell.

Eventually some bright light will come up with a viable alternative to "Windows". Until then the least we can do is refuse to buy into the Microsoft "Upgrade to the latest (buggy, half-finished) greatest software!" b.s.. You can put a pig in a suit, but it's still a pig.

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Kris A NC

01-14-2005 05:33:17




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 Re: Nasty Virus in reply to Pete/ME, 01-14-2005 03:30:35  
There is no way you can say that 98 is more stable then XP!!! It crashes more and it is more susceptible to viruses. Not to mention Microsoft doesn"t even support 98 anymore. It doesn"t even have to be an attachment anymore. You can get them from a pop up window or a redirect to another server that is infected! Please don"t give advice if you have no idea what you are talking about. Especially when it comes to a topic as serious as this. Its people like you who transmit these virus" and you don"t even know it!!!

Kris A NC (Network Administrator)

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Pete/ME

01-15-2005 05:44:09




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 Re: Nasty Virus in reply to Kris A NC, 01-14-2005 05:33:17  
Well, well, aren't some feathers ruffled. Guess I must be doing something right, my 98 hasn't crashed, nor have I contracted a virus since I installed it three years ago on the P4 machine which I built. Of course I don't make my living in the mumbo jumbo world of "information technology" where problems with computers justify your existence as a "Network Administrator". I'm so impressed with techno-twinks like you that try to make Microsoft a religion.

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onefarmer

01-14-2005 08:30:29




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 Re: Nasty Virus in reply to Kris A NC, 01-14-2005 05:33:17  
I agree whole heartedly, all windows sucks, but XP is much better than 98, Always run an antivirus. I have used Norton for years and it has always caught everthing. The trick is to keep it updated at least weekly if not daily. It can also be set to update automaticly, but do a manual update once in a while just to make sure.



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Clooney

01-13-2005 19:11:39




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 Re: Nasty Virus in reply to John T, 01-13-2005 19:01:09  
John, go to this web site & read about your viral infection then follow directions..

OH, one more thing – don’t send me any E-Mails for a while!!!!!

Clooney


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John T

01-13-2005 20:39:22




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 Re: Nasty Virus in reply to Clooney , 01-13-2005 19:11:39  
Thanks Good Clooney, I been there n tried all that but the files all come back and Microsoft thinks (after 3 hrs on phone with 4 different Nerds) its cuz I cant run in Safe Mode when I do all that web site says to do. They think the Virus disables Safe Mode but as we speak Im running CA E Trust scanning for viruses and trojans n works, it supposedly can repair backdoor.prorat, I will let yall lnow later tonoght or in AM.

It has its own SMTP that looks for e mail addresses n sends this out plus it replicates itslef or somethign so I cant get rid of it. I will NOT e mail you in the meantime.

Thanks

John T

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Clooney

01-14-2005 04:05:02




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 Re: Nasty Virus in reply to John T, 01-13-2005 20:39:22  
John, what operating system are you running?

I haven’t ever found a windows computer that I can’t start in safe mode.. It just takes some fiddling..

Have your tried using the F8 key during initial boot-up? You might have to try it 50 times to get that F-8 to catch the reboot process at just the right moment. If that virus has altered your system files that might be the only way to boot into safe mode.. (Note: not all computers use F-8 as the key so make sure your computer isn’t using a different key stroke)

Have you tried your windows boot floppy disk? Windows tries to boot to the “A” drive first so if there is a disk in there it will find it & boot to that first (unless it has been turned off).. If you don’t have the windows boot disk find another computer with an operating system like yours & make a floppy boot disk. (probably find it on line also)..

Try booting your computer then manually shutting it down part way through the boot process, do this a few times so it gets back past trying to boot to a last couple of saved boot files.. After about 3 tries it will probably automatically try to boot you in safe mode..

Have you had your anti-virus scan your boot files? If not start there.

Change your initial boot so you don’t mask the boot files scrolling on the screen as they load.. That will allow you watch the boot files scroll out & load.. Maybe you can catch an errant file loading then go in & edit the boot process (or go in & turn that function off until you find your problem..

If your System Configuration Utility is still operating try using that to shut down all non essential system on the initial boot up (sometime a real well written virus will disable that though)

If your system has system restore be sure that is disabled or it could just restore an infected file..

If you have a older Dos based windows operating system then just boot to Dos & use command prompts to work around the system.

When you get your problem sorted out there are a couple of safe guards I use on my internet computers..

1st, enter your E-Mail address book & enter an E-Mail address such as name (AAAAVirusAlert) @ YOUR e-mail address .. Of course using “your” real E-Mail address.. That way if your computer becomes infected with a virus you will be the first to receive an E-Mail if the virus sends itself out from your computer.. Using the AAAA assures it is always at the top of the list.. If you see AAAA VirusAlert in your inbox you know your computer is sending out things that you don’t know about..

2nd, configure your E-Mail or E-mail blocking software to block all E-mails that containing (.vbs), (.bat), (.exe), (.pif) and (.scr) files.. those are not normally used in normal E-Mail correspondence but are most likely to contain a virus or Trojan horse..

3rd, Turn on (Show Hidden Files) in your computer,, Windows systems come with that turned off by default..

Here’s why..

If I wanted to E-Mail you a virus all I would have to do is write the virus,, then set it as hidden in the attributes (easy to do), then send it to JohtT@youre-mail address & name it.. Here’s how I would name it – (Here is a picture of my tractor.JPG.EXE).. Seeing as you have show hidden files turned off & I set the attributes to hidden it will show up in your computer as “Here is picture of my tractor.JPG” you won’t see the real extension of .EXE -- You see that it is from me & say I know him,, so you open it—GOT YOU.. It’s the very last letters after the last (.) that you have to worry about.. But you need to see it..

John I was just kidding you on sending me an E-Mail, my machines would probably catch & filter the problem anyhow. If I’m in your E-Mail address book you have probably already sent me one anyway.. Be sure to call or E-Mail anybody that is in your address book & warn them you might have sent out a virus…

Good Luck

Clooney

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HTR

01-13-2005 19:26:37




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 Re: Nasty Virus in reply to Clooney , 01-13-2005 19:11:39  
I also had the Trojan Horse virus last night. I ran the AVG anti virus, and it said that it healed it.

Worst part is, I just emailed you a picture of a coil. The attchment picture was scanned by Norton, and said, no virus found.



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ChuckW

01-13-2005 19:09:29




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 Re: Nasty Virus in reply to John T, 01-13-2005 19:01:09  
I run a program called goback and you can replace all your operating files at a previous date. This gets ride of a infected file. Of course the best thing is not get it in the first. I also run nortons and ad-adware and spybuster program....this web stuff is saturated with junk...you have to have other areas of recourse..good luck...



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lloyd sc

01-13-2005 20:12:12




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 Re: Nasty Virus in reply to ChuckW, 01-13-2005 19:09:29  
I also had a trojan type viris & left Norton & got Mc Afee. Seems to block a bit better. Good luck with it.....



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John T

01-13-2005 20:40:41




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 Re: Nasty Virus in reply to lloyd sc, 01-13-2005 20:12:12  
Thanks Lloyd n Chuck, Im runnign CA E Trust right now as Norton or Microsoft cant fix it. I will let yall know

John T



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Mark Scholten

01-14-2005 05:34:59




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 Re: Nasty Virus in reply to John T, 01-13-2005 20:40:41  
John: Have you tried to full field the computer yet? Look at the tower section, find any 2 places where you can hook a large cable to it. Preferably on each corner so you get better cross fielding. locate a "large" current source and hook er up. Problem solved. Go down to your local Wal-Mart and buy a new computer and start all over. (Make sure the new one has the tabs to hook up for future problems).
Good luck, Mark

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BillB

01-14-2005 09:48:48




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 Re: Nasty Virus in reply to Mark Scholten, 01-14-2005 05:34:59  
You know, I read this board every day but don't post much. I just can't resist the opportunity to bash Microsoft and Wallmart in the same post.

I am no expert, but I bought my first computer more than 20 years ago and I do have 2 degrees in computer science.

As far as I am concerned it is pointless to argue about which version of Windows is worse. Fact is they are all poor. The last product from Microsoft that I used that wasn't junk was DOS 3.3. I no longer consider them a software company. They are a monopoly.

They have the market for garbage cornered.

PeterC is right, go with Thunderbird and Firefox and viruses won't be a problem. (Unless too many people go with Tunderbird and Firefox.)

As for Walmart- buy from Walmart if you want to support the communist government in China. Stay away from there if you like America.

Period. Enough said.

Bill

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