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37G

02-19-2004 15:03:35




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Have a gooseneck trailer now. 18 + 2 low profile. I want high with trire under so get full 102" and i want the 3 ramps on a 5 foot dovetail. I live in MN. right now i have 14000 lb (2 7000 lb) I would like to get either triple axle (21000 lb) or the 2 10000 lb axle (with dual wheels) My question is? Can i legally do this? I want to be able to haul two standard tractors. Do i need to get a differnt license. I would never actually pull what my license is allowed (26000) Will the trailer and truck be too much over the GVWR. Seems like everyone else has this setup but heard they are real strict about it on the road. I just want the extra capacity for the few times i do use. I am pulling with 04 chevy crewcab with duramax diesel and should have no prob pulling but is it legal or what do i have to do. does anyone actually know. thanks

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Duben

02-19-2004 19:29:31




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 Re: Gooseneck trailer in reply to 37G, 02-19-2004 15:03:35  
Any single truck over 26,000 GVW rating or towing any trailer with a GVW rating over 10,000# requires a CDL in any state. It doesn't matter if the trailer is empty or if a pickup is towing it. I've towed a fifth wheel with a pickup and they are just not safe trying to stop even with a legal weight load with electric brakes. I stepped up and got my CDL and bought a rig with air brakes. You can usually buy a good used truck (tractor) and trailer for less than half of a new pickup. Might save your life or that of someone else.

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Rodney A Johnson

02-20-2004 07:42:59




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 Re: Re: Gooseneck trailer in reply to Duben, 02-19-2004 19:29:31  
If what you said is true, then every single person pulling a gooseneck is not legal, as I doubt most of them, including professionals have CDLs.



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Dave

02-20-2004 11:06:31




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 Re: Re: Re: Gooseneck trailer in reply to Rodney A Johnson, 02-20-2004 07:42:59  
My gooseneck is rated at 9900 LBS, I can strip it down to 2700 LBS trailer weight. I go from state to state in confidence. I just realize that I need to keep my loads under about 9,000 LBS to keep under the axle ratings of the truck and trailer.



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Josh

02-19-2004 17:48:09




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 Re: Gooseneck trailer in reply to 37G, 02-19-2004 15:03:35  
I think some states vary, so i would check your states DOT website. In PA you are illegal already. Here if your rig is in excess of 26k or the trailer is in excess of 10k a CDL is required.



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RUSS

02-19-2004 17:03:33




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 Re: Gooseneck trailer in reply to 37G, 02-19-2004 15:03:35  
Goosed Trailer; I think Dave R. has got it right.
You can pull almost anything up to ridiculous
with an LT pickup. However, when your loaded to the max and some idiot in front of you does a worst case double binder stop, you have to clean his clock or veer off with no control into multple lawsuits. Then along comes the state patrol, accident investigation team I'd think the scenario has no where to go but down even for a CDL bucko. Good luck.

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Ray

02-19-2004 16:48:14




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 Re: Gooseneck trailer in reply to 37G, 02-19-2004 15:03:35  
If your combined weight is over 10000 pounds
and you cross a state line your under DOT
regulations.If your hauling anything to make a buck,even a trophy at a tractor show your considered commmercial and need a DOT number,
log book,health card,and about 20 other things to be legal.



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John R

02-19-2004 17:29:20




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 Re: Re: Gooseneck trailer in reply to Ray, 02-19-2004 16:48:14  
Ray is right. Also you can get fined for exceeding the maximum towing capacity of the truck. If you are grossing 20K and your truck is only rated for 17.5K you will get a big fine even if you have enough license on both. Any thing over 10,000lbs gross trailer weight and you need a CDL anyway. DOT is really starting to crack down on this. You need to know the rules and play right. Let's keep it safe out there for everybody.

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Mark Scholten

02-19-2004 16:29:46




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 Re: Gooseneck trailer in reply to 37G, 02-19-2004 15:03:35  
I just bought a new deck over 27+5 they call it. Weighs around 5000#. I will pull it with a '98 Dodge Ram diesel 2500. I will have my 8 1/2' truck camper mounted on the front and I will be taking an LA (1515#) and a D (5500#) to shows. The camper weighs 1800#. This is on a 14,000# trailer. My biggest concern was how long to get it? A little math and a sharp pencil gave me the answer.
Mark Scholten
Email me and I will tell you who had the best price by about $2000,00 under everyone else I checked,

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Mark

02-19-2004 15:28:42




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 Re: Gooseneck trailer in reply to 37G, 02-19-2004 15:03:35  
You are going to have to do the math. Your truck weighs 7500#,a larger gooseneck 5000#,2 standard tractors @7000#ea,plus chains,binders,misc.odds and ends and maybe 2 people 500#=27000# kinda into the "B" CDL license zone aren't you?



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Dave Ritenburgh

02-19-2004 15:16:05




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 Re: Gooseneck trailer in reply to 37G, 02-19-2004 15:03:35  
I personally see no legitimate reason to have a trailer over 14,000 GVW to be pulled by a pickup. To start with, the maximum your pickup is rated to tow is 15,000 LBS. If your trailer weighs 5,000, this only leaves 10,000 for cargo. If you get a 20,000 or 21,000 GVW trailer, it will probably weight around 7500 LBS this would only leave 7500 LBS for cargo. Now, we have all seen guys pulling 25,000 LBS plus the weight of the truck with their 1 ton Pickups. First of all, Don't get caught doing it under warranty and second of all, can you imagine the lawsuit if someone pulls out in front of you and you can't stop. Bottom line, a 14,000 GVW trailer is perfect for a pickup, it allows 14,000 on the trailer axles and and 2,500 or so on the pickup rear axle. You can then exceed the pickup's towing capacity by 10 percent and still be within the trailer's capacity. If you want to haul more around with your pickup, then you need a lighter trailer. My gooseneck weighs 3,000 LBS, leaving me with more cargo capacity than heavier trailers and is Engineered correctly to handle the weight but is not built like a boat anchor.

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Jeremy

02-20-2004 07:09:19




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 Re: Re: Gooseneck trailer in reply to Dave Ritenburgh, 02-19-2004 15:16:05  
I was wonderng how much can a one ton tow legally, we are going to pull a 30ft 21000 lb trailer. we will only be towing probally 9000 plus 6000 for the trailer? this whole license thing is confusing to me, mayebe someone can help.



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