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Jim Nauert

07-23-2005 17:14:37




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My 1940 JD H Started in to smoking. When i first had it home it ran good no smoke. I started running it around a little at first it only smoked going down hil. That i thought might be to much oil. But now it smokes at a idle but not under load. Or at high speed It's blue smoke i think it is oil.Any ideas?




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F-I-T

07-23-2005 22:06:19




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 Re: Smoke show in reply to Jim Nauert, 07-23-2005 17:14:37  
Jim:

THere's a good chance that you have now warmed the engine up to proper operating temperature and that nice warm oil has dissolved and eashed away the gum and varnish that was closing up the clearances in the valve guides and rings. It happens a lot on an engine that had been run hard, left to sit, and had infrequent oil changes over the years. As "OLD" said, the engine is probably now telling you the truth about its condition.

The advice about changing to fresh, correct weight oil would be a good first start, but you're going to have to diagnose the engine and that means performing a proper compression test, engine at temp, first dry and then include a teaspoon of oil through each sparkplug hole. It the compression is low dry, and significantly higher with the added oil, suspect worn rings. If low both ways, that generally points to valves. BTW, the guides in a two cylinder are generally ready to be replaced after 65 years. That was one item that tended to be overlooked in the interest of expediency and cost during top end overhauls in the past.

Another tell-tale sign of gum and varnish being dissolved is new evidence oil leakage around the left hand main bearing, behind the flywheel. Oil here can also mean you have high pressure in the crankcase due to poor venting.

So, next, you'll want to clean and test that the filter at the valve cover is functioning, and that the air tube from the governor to the carburetor intake elbow is clear. If the fumes can't vent properly, the pressure in the crankcase can increase (again, caused by poor sealing of worn rings allowing too much blow-by) and this pressure can push oil down valve guides and into the combustion chamber. They will smoke from that, just like a modern engine will from a plugged, non-functioning PCV system.

Lastly, check that the oil drain hole in the head is clear of gum and debris. If occluded, this trapped oil can rise high enough to actually roll into the valve guides.

sp, warm it up, drain the oil warm, and re-fill using a new filter and proper weight oil. Then you can service the vent system, check behind the valve cover, and if it still smokes, go to the shop and check the compression.

I'm betting you have worn rings and guides, but that's just a guess based on your description of the symptons.

Frank

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Pat Browning

07-23-2005 19:34:14




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 Re: Smoke show in reply to Jim Nauert, 07-23-2005 17:14:37  
Hey Jim -- I would like to know what you oil pressure was -- at idle and at full throttle.

Plus, as "old" is telling you, stop & immediately replace both the oil and filter element because you don't have a good feel for what is in your C/C right now.

For this time of year, when temerature is between 65 & 90 degrees, SAE 40 is oil called for in the Operators Manual. Use of any 10W-40 oil will do just fine. When winter comes, 10W viscosity is called out!

Be Blessed!

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Dave Wilmot

07-23-2005 19:10:58




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 Re: Smoke show in reply to Jim Nauert, 07-23-2005 17:14:37  
All oils are not created equal, I would use Kendall Super D3, 30w at least. If you go any heavier, 40-50w, I don't think the cam gets good lube.



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old

07-23-2005 17:24:27




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 Re: Smoke show in reply to Jim Nauert, 07-23-2005 17:14:37  
Well do you use it as a toy pretty or do you work it?? If all you do is drive it around for fun thats where your problem is. Any tractor needs to be worked to keep it running right.



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Jim Nauert

07-23-2005 17:32:13




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 Re: Smoke show in reply to old, 07-23-2005 17:24:27  
Just got the thing it sat around for some time. It will be a toy pretty but right now i have benn hauling cord and a half loads of fire wood up some steep hills in my woods.



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old

07-23-2005 17:44:49




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 Re: Smoke show in reply to Jim Nauert, 07-23-2005 17:32:13  
Well if it sat for a long time then its just starting to tell you the truth about its self. What type of oil are you running in it?? If its a muti grade I'd switch to a 30 or 40 weight. I run 50 weight in my 1935 JD-B and it still smokes but it does have the same rings form back in the 40s if not the one that came in it.



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Jim Nauert

07-23-2005 17:50:26




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 Re: Smoke show in reply to old, 07-23-2005 17:44:49  
It still has in it what it came with. When i change it im going to use SAE30.



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old

07-23-2005 17:54:18




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 Re: Smoke show in reply to Jim Nauert, 07-23-2005 17:50:26  
You know leaveing what was in it and running it was a big no no. It probably has water in the oil which is hard on it.



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Jim Nauert

07-23-2005 17:59:29




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 Re: Smoke show in reply to old, 07-23-2005 17:54:18  
I know I'll dump it tomorrow change the filter put in new.



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old

07-23-2005 19:30:02




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 Re: Smoke show in reply to Jim Nauert, 07-23-2005 17:59:29  
Also depending on where you are at 30W may not be the right oil for the weather conditions. I live in Missouri and run 50W in my 1935 B which by the way the owners manual say is what I should run this time of year. But I'm one of the few lucky ones I have the owner manual that came with the tractor. Yep I have the real deal the tractor was my grandfathers and he also still had the manual.



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