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Jim Busby

11-20-2005 10:12:17




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HELP. I am horribly new to this very enjoyable hobby. Anyway, the mag on my tractor is very weak. I have a spark at the coil with the cap off, but nothing at the plug connections, let alone the plugs. I have heard about 'recharging the coil'. Is this something that is actually done, or am I being told a story. If is is actually done, how is it done? Thank you for your time in this matter. I will appreciate any help.

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Jim Busby

11-21-2005 16:12:20




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 Re: WICO Magneto's in reply to Jim Busby, 11-20-2005 10:12:17  

Thanks for everyone's feedback. As I mentioned earlier I will do some detective work and get back to you. Yes, this does have an ignition switch. There is a wire from the spark thingie ( not sure it is a mag anymore) up into the dash. I as yet have not traced all wiring so I am assuming it goes to the switch. I do know if switch is not in the 'on' position it will do nothing. Found that out during the pull to start episode. Even pull starting it will not run. Our weather has turned cold and wetter so I feel that is another hurdle to leap. I will get more information and hopefully some pictures and get back to you. Happy Thanksgiving for everyone and I look forward to talking to you again.

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Glen in TX

11-21-2005 18:02:05




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 Re: Another Wico XB distributor! in reply to Jim Busby, 11-21-2005 16:12:20  
Jim, Sounds like you have the Wico XB battery distributor. Most tune up parts are available for those but mechanical parts like the shaft and advance mechanism are not. Reason I don't like the XB is that it is just a 6V ignition and most of them were never that hot of a setup. JD and others put them on 12V using a step down resistor and when resistor burns out or a surge like during battery boosting is sent past it to the 6 Volt coil it gets fried or will never be the same again. Some people get along okay with the XB and many don't. They never made a 12V coil for the XB but I've known many people to wire a regular external 12V ignition coil and use it as a distributor like that and it will work fine. The original XB coil is getting kind of pricy these days too. Was nice and warm here today and I was stuck on a jury indoors. You have Happy Thanksgiving too. Glen

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Glen in TX

11-20-2005 19:48:06




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 Re: WICO Magneto's in reply to Jim Busby, 11-20-2005 10:12:17  
Jim, I emailed you some info to help identify it. Just let us know which one you have and we can help you out with it then.



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Jim Busby

11-20-2005 16:48:56




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 Re: WICO Magneto's in reply to Jim Busby, 11-20-2005 10:12:17  
Thank you for all of your quick responses! The cap of this mag has two wires coming from the lower r/h corner of the cap, one wire above the other. When I pull the cap and see the coil(?) there is a button in the center of the coil. When I ground a screwdriver to the case and hold it above the button about 1/8" I get a weak yellow spark. Nothing out of the cap. I also hear no "snapping" coming from the mag at all. It acts like a standard distributer in a car. And I have carbon core plug wires. Do you know of a 'book' on these mags that I may purchase to educate myself about these. I think that education is half the fun of these machines. It never seems to amaze me how much knowledge has been lost over the decades. Again, thank you. Jim

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Duane Larson

11-20-2005 17:43:56




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 Re: WICO Magneto's in reply to Jim Busby, 11-20-2005 16:48:56  
Jim,
First, welcome to the hobby - I hope you will have much pleasure from it!

For starters, as John T pointed out, with no snapping sound as the magneto coupling rotates you likely have a broken impulse spring. They are the same for a Wico C and XH (it sounds from your description like you have the XH), so you will have to replace that. I expect if you search the archives here for impulse spring replacement or something like that you will uncover the many previous posts on that topic.

Regarding a good source for magneto information, you might consider JDs Service Manual SM2029, which covers (briefly) their operation, as well as wiring diagrams, starter and generator info, etc. for 2 cyl JD tractors. It is available from JD publications at 1-800-522-7448, or check eBay as they show up there. If you wish to go deeper, check eBay for magneto repair manuals and you will find much reprinted stuff available.

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John T

11-20-2005 17:53:34




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 Re: WICO Magneto's in reply to Duane Larson, 11-20-2005 17:43:56  
Duane, Now that he mentions those wires from the cap (even though an X mag may have a kill stud/wire)??? It makes no SNAP, and it still sparks even with no snap, are we sure he has a mag and not an XB distributor????? ??

Jim, is there voltage present on either of those wires you mention when you turn on some sort of an ignition switch????? Does it not have voltage when you turn off some sort of an ignition switch??? Are there any labels on the mag??? Do you even have any sort of ignition switch???

John T

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Duane Larson

11-20-2005 18:32:25




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 Re: WICO Magneto's in reply to John T, 11-20-2005 17:53:34  
John T,
Now why didn't I think of that - guess it takes a good lawyer :) - and I was wondering how he was spinning it to get a spark....



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John T

11-20-2005 20:41:08




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 Re: WICO Magneto's in reply to Duane Larson, 11-20-2005 18:32:25  
Duane, As we both know it would take a fairly rapid whirl of the flywheel to get her to make an even weak spark, but when he reposted talking about "wires" to the cap?? and no snap but she still sparked Im thinkin Hummmmm mm ?????

We still dont know what he has, but if it is an XB distributor you gotta help him cuz I havent messed with them very much

John T



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Glen in TX

11-20-2005 21:07:46




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 Re: WICO Magneto's in reply to John T, 11-20-2005 20:41:08  
John & Duane, I sent him some info to help him ID it hopefully. Was thinking same thing when reading that.... OH NO another XB! (I hate XBs) lol. If someone would just make a 12V coil and electronic conversion kit for it wouldn't be half bad. You guys can help him with it while I'm off having fun with jury duty.



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Glen in TX

11-20-2005 12:15:16




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 Re: WICO Magneto's in reply to Jim Busby, 11-20-2005 10:12:17  
Jim, Try changing the wires, plugs, cap and rotor if you got a good blue spark at coil.

It's not the coil that is recharged but the magnet can be recharged. It takes a magnet charger designed of 2 coils that is capable of doing that along with charging blocks and it done with the magnet out of housing and with the magnetic rotor in housing and impulse removed. More harm than good can be done with small chargers. The alnico magnets in the Wico C & X will benefit from recharging but seldom will lose all the charge. It is usually other problems with the mag that have to be corrected and not just a magical recharging.

To get a good blue spark off the coil you need: good condenser, good smooth clean points contacts set at .015", good coil, good bearings, good proper functioning impulse and clean wiring connections. If the bearings are worn or sluggish not letting it spin fast enough or the impulse parts are worn or hanging up or spring is broke or weak in impulse it will be weak or no spark. The impulse should let it trip or snap and let it spin faster at starting speeds and then not trip once it has started.

If you have good blue spark at coil look at replacing the rotor or cap. Spark plugs should be a non resistor type with a magneto and wires should be the stranded metallic core wires and NOT the carbon core type.

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John T

11-20-2005 11:48:53




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 Re: WICO Magneto's in reply to Jim Busby, 11-20-2005 10:12:17  
Jim, what model of a Mag is it (sounds like Wico X)??? The recharging you heard about consists of remagnetizing the rotor NOT the coil and yes it can help. ALWAYS CHECK N CLEAN THE POINTS FIRST WHEN THE SPARK IS WEAK (see below) If any doubt, try new plugs also !!!!! !!!!! !!

If the sparks weak at cranking RPM does the mag make a loud sharp SNAP or a faint dull clunk??? If she would pull start n fire right up n run well and the mag snap is weak n wimpy when your starting it, I would suspect its more of a weak mag spring or a failing spring wind n trip assembly then the rotor needs recharged. If she snaps loud n strong if you bend a wire or paper clip from the mags metal sides to within 1/8 inch away from the coils side output button/terminal a good visible blue and NOT a faint thin wimpy yellow spark ough to jump that gap each time the mag snaps, does it????? ?

If the sparks weak there check the points and the gap and replace them if badly burned or pitted or carboned up. If good but only gray oxide coated, non abrasively clean/buff/polish them by passing a dollar bill or shop cloth etc between them.

Once you get a good strong blue spark there, inspect the cap for moisture, dirt or oil or cracks or carbon traces and repair or replace as needed. Then use good wire core NOT carbon core suppressor type wires and try new plugs n see how they spark then????? ????

Good luck n God Bless, let us know

John T

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mdm

11-20-2005 10:38:04




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 Re: WICO Magneto's in reply to Jim Busby, 11-20-2005 10:12:17  
do you have a good blue spark?



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