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40 JD G

12-20-2005 18:11:36




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I have a book that says that there were an old and new styled drv2b mags. The serial # on my be needs the new styled drv2b, does anybody know the difference in the new and old style, also what is the difference between the rv2b and drv2b. Thanks

Nick




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Glen in TX

12-20-2005 20:32:02




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 Re: FM DRV2B or RV2B Magnetos in reply to 40 JD G, 12-20-2005 18:11:36  
First of all I wouldn't say there was a new and old style when all of the Fairbanks Morse RV series mags are old old and obsolete. What book said that anyway? They were ditched for better designs later. The FM-RV series mags that fit John Deeres had a "D" prefix to the RV, DRV. FM-DRV 2, FM-DRV 2 -A, FM-DVR 2-B.

DRV 2, base mount, 2 cylinder, CCW drive, with wire outputs on top.

DRV 2-A, flange-vertical mount, CCW drive, with wire outputs on top. (old style??)

DRV 2-B, flange-horizontal mount, CCW drive with the wire outputs pointed to front when mounted on tractor. (new style??)

There is a difference in the length of the DRV A and B housings and cover.

In September 1941 Fairbanks Morse put a out a bulletin that tells about a new Alnico magnet being used in the RV series mags and was available also to upgrade older mags. The early RV series mags used chrome magnets in the magnetic rotor. Next cobalt magnets were used and then last the Alnico magnets.

Also the impulse assemblies were upgraded to better designs later and the latest new style FM impulse assemblies will still fit a RV series mag. Unfortunately that is the only new parts still available new for the RV series mags from FM factory. New gaskets, oil seal, bearings, rewound coils, NOS and used parts are the only other things available for them.

Most parts from other RV series mags will not really interchange on the 2 cylinder ones. The coils in RV1 are different. The coils in RV 2,4,& 6 were however the same. Later coils were covered in a plastic. Fairbanks Morse made a RV1 base mount in CW & CCW rotations, RV4/2 base mount in CCW, RV4 base mount CW & CCW, RV-4A & RV-4B flange mount vertical CW & CCW, RV-6 base mount CW & CCW and RV-6B flange mount vertical CW & CCW.

One big problem in the RV series mags was corrosion in the sealed aluminum housings. On restoring these you need to drill some ventilation holes on bottom or add some vents someplace. Also the distributor barrels the brushes ran on were prone to come loose and wear bad after many years. The fibre gears also are stripped in many because of corrosion and someone doesn't take them apart to clean before trying to turn them. The brush holders also are prone to cracking. All those parts are not available new so when you buy one of those mags you see advertised for big bucks as rebuilt it can't have much replaced on it. Usually takes several of these mags to really make one good one.

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40 JD G

12-21-2005 05:42:20




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 Re: FM DRV2B or RV2B Magnetos in reply to Glen in TX, 12-20-2005 20:32:02  
The Unstyled Letter Series by JR Hobbs was the book that i got the info from. I have 2 mags that are marked RV2B, and they have a very small D stammped in before the R, I have also saw them with DRV2B all the same size letters, are these the same mags or newer and older?



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Duane Larson

12-21-2005 07:33:26




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 Re: FM DRV2B or RV2B Magnetos in reply to 40 JD G, 12-21-2005 05:42:20  
The DRV2B magnetos have serial numbers stamped in them so that helps date them. I have also seen the variations in the "D" and don't recall any info on that. I suppose that later on the case may have been used for another RV magneto and with some small change, indicated by the "D" stamp, it was used for the DRV2B.

I looked at J.R.'s comment in his table, and indeed that refers to the change in the flywheel on the B so the same magneto could be used on both the A and B. The only difference between the magnetos was in the drive cup and hence the part number. Apparently dealers carried two magnetos (one for the A and one for the B) rather than carry one mag and put the correct drive cup on it - perhaps most weren't set up to do any mag work. With the B flywheel change only one mag was carried for the A and B.

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Duane Larson

12-20-2005 20:07:01




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 Re: FM DRV2B or RV2B Magnetos in reply to 40 JD G, 12-20-2005 18:11:36  
Nick,
What is the s/n of your B? Initially Deere used the DRV2A on the A, and when they started using the FM DRV2B magnetos they had to use different ones on the A and B. This was changed at B s/n 14038 when they changed the B flywheel to accomodate the AB706R mag on both the A and B. But the DRV2B underwent a series of upgrades, and I'm not sure when one would differentiate "old" from "new", other than the above change on the B.

I'm curious as to the reference you mention - if you can provide it I may have it and can give a better answer. There was a significant change at mag s/n 179115 when the endcap was redesigned, but that was in 1942, long after the change to Wico magnetos.

I'm not familiar with a RV2B. FM initially developed the R series of magnetos for use on 1 cylinder gas engines, then a two cylinder version (R2) was used on the GP. Then followed the RV series - the RV4 was used on early AC WC with the Continental engine and the RV6 was used on other tractors. The two cylinder version of this was dubbed DRV2, with a suffix A,B detailing changes. I assume the prefix D implies the version developed particularly for Deere.

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40 JD G

12-21-2005 05:49:07




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 Re: FM DRV2B or RV2B Magnetos in reply to Duane Larson, 12-20-2005 20:07:01  
The book is JD Hobbs Unstyled Letter Series. Serial # 36943



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Glen in TX

12-20-2005 20:54:50




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 Re: FM DRV2B or RV2B Magnetos in reply to Duane Larson, 12-20-2005 20:07:01  
Duane, You covered a lot on it too I see. I'm not familar with there ever being a RV2 and yes the D was prefix on all of them for the JDs. There was a RV 4/2 base mount which would be a 4 cylinder that has 2 that spark and 2 grounded out. I've never seen one of those but it's listed in old FM RV series parts list from 1946. Also something else I didn't mention above is that there will be a "C" in the serial number if they had the cobalt magnets. Sometimes I've seen them upgraded with Alnico magnets but not often.

The DRV 2-A when mounted has the wire outlets on top and the DRV 2-B has the flange turned 90 degrees so when mounted the wire outlets point forward with one being above and one below then. I figured the reason for this was to clear the later gas tank supports? I've seen some tank supports ground off and we have had to do that to make larger pulling mags fit sometimes on Bs.

The old R series 1 cylinder FM mag for FM engines. Old R series R2 mag used at random on GP,D,O, & W JD in 1927-32 were older than the RV series and parts were discontinued in 1944. Not sure when RV parts were discontinued but some were still made into the 50s as I've had NOS coils for them dated 1955 and 1958 before. Enough old mag history....

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Duane Larson

12-21-2005 07:49:55




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 Re: FM DRV2B or RV2B Magnetos in reply to Glen in TX, 12-20-2005 20:54:50  
Hi Glen,
I see you have studied the DRV2 series also - nice summary. The earliest info I have on the RV series is an article from the 8/31/1933 Farm Implement News which announces a new line of magnetos from FM. Looking at pix of development Model A's, they have what appear to be GP mags on them. I guess the DRV2A was developed in time for the A production starting in April 1934. I have an old FM magneto catalog which has info dated March 1934 and speaks of the RV line.

I also have some letters exchanged between JD and FM where Deere is clearly unhappy with the FM repair service being provided. Shortly after that the first Wico AP's showed up on the A and B tractors.

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Glen in TX

12-21-2005 10:13:23




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 Re: FM DRV2B or RV2B Magnetos in reply to Duane Larson, 12-21-2005 07:49:55  
Yes, Duane, I've studied those RV mags too and got some more notes and literature tucked away someplace on them too. The later manuals I have just show the Alnico magnets available for them and other updates which weren't many. So those JD & FM letters spoke of service problems. No notes on the A or B change in number and why they turned the housing and flange 90 degrees? The fuel tank bracket clearance was on my mind last night on that and we have ground off brackets on pulling Bs for mounting a Bosch MRF 4/2 mag before. Corrosion in them over the years is the biggest problem I see with them. I won't buy one unless I can see inside it. Have had the DRV2 mags come in just full of corroded flaking crud filled all the way to the cover line but managed to save them with parts from a few other mags. Most people don't want to pay for the labor and parts it takes to fix one right I find but yet they want to sell their junk mag for big bucks. lol. Something else I didn't mention was the hard to get at placement of the condenser in them. Age has almost always got to the condenser and it's bad. Something else I find in them also is the wire running from coil to points terminal has to be replaced as that old cambric insulation on the wire goes bad. Just too many thrust bearings and not simple with more things to go wrong in a RV series mag.

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