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4010 diesel electrical system

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4010 puller

01-07-2006 07:42:42




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Hey guys:

I bought a 4010 that will run when pull started, but will not run by starting with the starter. I just had it rebuilt, the batteries and cables are less than 1 yeaar old. I"d like to find a schematic from all of the wires that leave the ignition switch and go to the solenoid and elsewhere. Would anyone have a diagram of this they could send me? It would be greatly appreciated. What is a good way to tell if the switch is working, it seems there are alot of wires coming off of it and I dont know where they come/go from. I tried to bypass the safety start switch (park) and that made no difference so I can assume it"s working. Also, the system is still 24 volt.

Thanks

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JD9295

01-07-2006 22:25:50




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 Re: 4010 diesel electrical system in reply to 4010 puller, 01-07-2006 07:42:42  
yep HTR thats the one.
thanks from me to, i bookmarked it this time



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buickanddeere

01-07-2006 19:51:07




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 Re: 4010 diesel electrical system in reply to 4010 puller, 01-07-2006 07:42:42  
Slow to crank or won't crank? What is the voltage across the two heavy cables at the starter when cranking? What is the voltage measured across each battery's posts when cranking?



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4010 puller

01-08-2006 09:02:19




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 Re: 4010 diesel electrical system, UPDATE in reply to buickanddeere, 01-07-2006 19:51:07  
Guys:

If sitting on the tractor, the left battery measured 12 volts, while the right battery measured 6 volts.

The left battery is grounded on the positive post, while the negative terminal goes to the lower side post on the starter.

The right battery is grounded on the negative post, while the positive terminal is hooked to the top post on the starter solenoid.

The batteries are not connected to each other. Do they connect to one another through the starter? Is this way just a better way of hooking batteries in series or is the system hooked up totally wrong? I"m still unsure on the different voltage"s of the batteries. It appears it is 18 volts rather than 24 volts with 1 6 volt and 1 12 volt in series. I guess I just need some more insight. It may not be the switch wiring at all, just the way the batteries are connected.

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buickanddeere

01-08-2006 15:30:58




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 Re: 4010 diesel electrical system, UPDATE in reply to 4010 puller, 01-08-2006 09:02:19  
The battery connections sound right. Both batteries should measure 12.6V at rest full charged and 13.8 to 14.2 when the engine is running at fast idle. Lift the battery to starter cable on the right battery. Place an ammeter inseries and find out if there is any current draw while the tractor is shutdown. Now reconnect and do the same test with the left battery. There could be a problem with polarity due to previous activities by tinkerers taking w.a.g. 's. The positive post on the right battery should connect to the generators's A2 and the non-solenoid terminal of the starter if memory serves.

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4010 puller

01-09-2006 13:15:37




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 Re: 4010 diesel electrical system, UPDATE in reply to buickanddeere, 01-08-2006 15:30:58  
buickanddeere:

I performed the test you described and you were correct. The left battery shows full voltage with no current draw on the cable going to the starter. However, the right battery is showing about 6 volts and when checking for current draw on the cable going to the starter, I have about 3.5 mA.

What is my next step?

Thanks



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buickanddeere

01-09-2006 19:17:22




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 Re: 4010 diesel electrical system, UPDATE in reply to 4010 puller, 01-09-2006 13:15:37  
3.5ma is just 3-1/2 thousands of an amp. It would take over a week to see any notable difference due to that rate of discharge. If it's a carboned up starter brush holders or generator brush holders. The resistance could vary with temperature, humidity and luck depending on where it everything to rest when stopped. Lift the connection at the starter but leave the cable connected to the generator A2 connected to the cable from the battery. Now measure for leakage current again. If it's still 3.5ma the fault is in the generator or regulator. If the leakage current appears only when the starter is connected to the battery. Then the starter needs to come off and at the minimum get its innards cleaned up. You may have to play hit and miss isolating each load or component until the culprit is found. Some people get by for a while by just using a switch in the cable going to chassis from between the two batteries. Or using a HD battery isolation switch on one or both battery cables. Every machine should have a battery isolation switch and use it when ever the machine is parked for any period of time unattended. Both those batteries have to be the same size, make ,age and usage history. A battery that is deep cycled or run flat even once is permanently damaged.

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4010 puller

01-08-2006 08:08:44




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 Re: 4010 diesel electrical system in reply to buickanddeere, 01-07-2006 19:51:07  
It wil not crank. Voltage on each battery is 12 volts, I did not check the voltage at the starter. It does appear that the batteries are hooked up differently than what the diagram shows. Neither battery is hooked together. One battery has the ground cable coming off of the positive post to ground and the other cable is going to the starter. The other battery has the negative post grounded and the positive going to the starter. I will go out right now to check the voltage at the starter before re-wiring the switch.

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Bob

01-08-2006 08:59:05




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 Re: 4010 diesel electrical system in reply to 4010 puller, 01-08-2006 08:08:44  
The hookup you describe gets the same results electrically, as having a crossover battery cable between the 2 wires.

The voltage at the large stud on the starter solenoid should be -12 Volts, and the voltage at the starter stud on the backside (towards the engine block) terminal will be +12 Volts, with the voltage measured between the two at 24 Volts.



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4010 puller

01-08-2006 10:18:39




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 Re: 4010 diesel electrical system in reply to Bob, 01-08-2006 08:59:05  
Bob:

I didn"t get any voltage readings at the starter. Would this be messed up due to one battery being 6 volt and the other being 12 volt.

Thanks



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Bob

01-07-2006 11:38:57




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 Re: 4010 diesel electrical system in reply to 4010 puller, 01-07-2006 07:42:42  
BE CAREFULL when working with that 24-Volt system.

BE SURE tractor is out of gear at all times, and keep the "kill" knob pulled, as you never know when something you do with the wiring may make the starter kick in.

Also, I never wear a watch (metal band) when working around these systems. That stack of batteries puts out enough current (and voltage) to weld with, and I've heard horror stories about people getting badly burned when their watch band caused a short!

I&T manuals, for $20, something have a basic wiring diagram, the genuine Deere shop manuals have a lot more detail, with wire color codes, and a better layout of the light wiring.

If it's your tractor, and you're keeping it around for a while, having the factory manuals is priceless, though they will cost a few bucks!

If you're cheap (I am), I have had good luck having the dealer's shop foreman print off a copy when I've needed diagrams. It certainly wouldn't hurt to ask.

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JD9295

01-07-2006 09:01:54




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 Re: 4010 diesel electrical system in reply to 4010 puller, 01-07-2006 07:42:42  
Somewhere on this site is a wiring diagram for the 4010. I printed it out and cant find the link now.
Does anyone know where it is? It is the one from the IT manual and one the fella made himself and is an excellent diagram



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HTR

01-07-2006 12:20:02




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 Re: 4010 diesel electrical system in reply to JD9295, 01-07-2006 09:01:54  
I think this is it.


Link



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4010 puller

01-07-2006 17:14:59




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 Re: 4010 diesel electrical system in reply to HTR, 01-07-2006 12:20:02  
Thank you fella"s very, very much. This is so helpful, exactly what I needed. I"ll get a starrt on the wiring Monday it looks.

Thanks,

John



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JD9295

01-07-2006 08:55:35




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 Re: 4010 diesel electrical system in reply to 4010 puller, 01-07-2006 07:42:42  
is it diesel or gas



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4010 puller

01-07-2006 17:03:02




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 Re: 4010 diesel electrical system in reply to JD9295, 01-07-2006 08:55:35  
Diesel



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