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52 B Carb Adjustment

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Jerry Vaughan

01-10-2006 05:56:13




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I have rebuilt the carb on my 52 B countless times to no avail. No matter what I do it will not ilde. I have made sure all passage ways are clean and open but still no adjustment from the ilde screw will provide fuel to idle with out slightly choking the carb. What am I missing?




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DickD

01-10-2006 17:55:56




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 Re: 52 B Carb Adjustment in reply to Jerry Vaughan, 01-10-2006 05:56:13  
Jerry; Pay attention to what John T is telling you about intake vacuum leaks. I had a 52 "A" that was beautiful but simply would not idle. I had the carb apart 4 times with no joy. I thought before I dynamited it, which was the next step, I would take some silicone, and go around the manifold gasket to check it. I started it up, and it idled perfectly. I replaced the manifold gasket--end of problem.

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Dave NE IA

01-10-2006 17:51:46




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 Re: 52 B Carb Adjustment in reply to Jerry Vaughan, 01-10-2006 05:56:13  
I sincerly mean no insult, but I have many times been told that all pasages are clean. The secret passage has been the problem as they ---thought-- they were all the way, but actualy were hitting rust instead of metal. That B should idle very slow as you know, it has to have a reason, and you will kick yourself when you find it. We all wore that t- shirt, and probably used the same type of words that you have been using. Good Luck Dave NE IA

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buckeye al

01-10-2006 15:28:30




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 Re: 52 B Carb Adjustment in reply to Jerry Vaughan, 01-10-2006 05:56:13  
Along with what John T said about the throttle plate fit, a feller I know rebuilt his B carb but did not push the throttle shaft bushings all the way in to meet the bore of the carb. Air was bypassing the throttle plate at the top & bottom where no fuel ports existed. It pulled OK but it idled fast and basically like crap.

Make sure the throttle shaft bushings are in as far as possible without causing throttle plate interference. Next make sure the shaft is supported by the linkage pivot assembly on top, the idle stop is backed clear off then carefully center the throttle plate in the bore while holding the throttle in the completely closed position. Only then tighten the throttle plate screws. Make sure the throttle shaft rotates basically effortlessly from closed to WOT. I've seen some after market re-build kits that had either too thick a slot in the shaft or too thin a throttle plate. When you tightened the screws the shaft would warp & bind in the bushing bores causing irregular governor action.

If the passages (ALL of 'em, air and fuel both) are indeed drilled open, fuel level is OK, adjustments right and spark is good at the right time, a 52 B usually idles very nicley.

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jgc

01-10-2006 17:17:13




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 Re: 52 B Carb Adjustment in reply to buckeye al, 01-10-2006 15:28:30  
Buckeye Al,
Very interesting comment about the throttle shaft bushings. I hadn't thought about leakage past the bushings if they are not flush with the inside bore of the carb casting.

Hummmm, wonder if I have the bushings inserted correctly in my "D" carb.

Thanks,
Jon
Jon



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buckeye al

01-11-2006 14:47:27




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 Re: 52 B Carb Adjustment in reply to jgc, 01-10-2006 17:17:13  
Can make a difference. The one I mentioned though the guy had left the bushing flush with the top of the casting instead of recessing it for the felt ring. That left it about 1/8th inch from the casting's bore leaving quite a bypass hole around the plate. It was a '51 gas only B & like I said, it idled like crap!



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scott ind.

01-10-2006 15:13:19




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 Re: 52 B Carb Adjustment in reply to Jerry Vaughan, 01-10-2006 05:56:13  
Thanks to Pat and a drawing on Roberts web site I found that last little port that I had been missing the third time was the charm.It was not idleing good, But now it runs great. check Roberts carb. out



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B-maniac

01-10-2006 13:59:05




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 Re: 52 B Carb Adjustment in reply to Jerry Vaughan, 01-10-2006 05:56:13  
Make sure the carb is correct for a 52. The older carb from a magneto tractor could have a different throttle plate/idle port relationship for shut down purposes than a later B with a coil & distributor ignition . Just something to think oabout.



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John T

01-10-2006 07:18:54




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 Re: 52 B Carb Adjustment in reply to Jerry Vaughan, 01-10-2006 05:56:13  
Hi Jerry, I love em to idle slow n sweet also. Assuming you already removed all the brass drill plugs and used the extra long No 40 and 53 aircraft drill bits to drill n clean the idle passages (They alllll l need to be clean) did you check out n clean the passage where the needle tip end seats???

Other poor idling possibilitis may be the butterfly plate is not nice n round n concentric to fit n match the bore,,,,, ,theres a vacuum leak leaning the mixture perhaps around worn throttle shaft bushings or the manifold base or the carb to manifold junction (spray WD 40 or carb cleaner or an unlit propane torch at those places to find a vacuum leak which causes her to speed up and/or smooth out),,,,, ,,,,, theres a vacuum leak past the needle valve threads,,,,, ,,,the throttle shaft bushings arent pressed down far enough into the bore (down to where theres no interference with the throttle plate).

It seems Duane or Pat or someone posted a pic somewhere a while back or at least discussed the idle passages and how or where one area is sort of "hidden" or "overlooked" and you need to get the drill bit or clean out wires through there also????? but I dont recall where I heard that discussion.....

Let us know, best wishes n God Bless

John T

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BushogPapa

01-10-2006 06:08:28




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 Re: 52 B Carb Adjustment in reply to Jerry Vaughan, 01-10-2006 05:56:13  
#1..are you sure there is NO vacuum leak at a gasket..?? Have the plugs ever been pulled and the passages cleaned with the LONG drill bits.?? Ron..



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