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41JDb

01-18-2006 07:20:00

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In response to all the criticim about my question on how much my deere was worth I have this to say: My grandfather died when I was about 8 and I am now only 18. I work two crappy jobs and go to school and have sunk a little over a thousand dollars in it just to repair the wheel, carb, and mag just to hear it run. I dont expect to sell it now or in the future. It is still very dented and very rusted. Please give me a break as I was just wondering of the expected cost to know for personal reasons!

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johns48b

01-22-2006 17:26:08

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Re: In response to the criticism on my question ab in reply to 41JDb, 01-18-2006 07:20:00

looks like everybody has lost track of whats important here. we have a youngster who has made a few mistakes, the only start of a life that will be full of them and each time he makes one he'll know better next time. he should be encourgaged instead of reading all this bull of you guys fighting amongest yourselves. without young people coming on our hobby will soon die out. i use to spend 30 - 40 dollars just for one bass fishing trip and still not catch many. so lets encourage him to buy his manuals and read up on how to do things before he starts. if he'll ask around here or at tractor shows he'll find somebody who will help him do anything he needs to do to get his tractor right acccording to how his definition of right is. green magazine and two cylinder magazine would be a good start for him to learn from other peoples mistakes and places to look for parts too. he can always try marlyn smith in iowa at 712-489-2570 for parts. good guy to deal with. good luck son

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B-maniac

01-21-2006 19:25:37

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Re: In response to the criticism on my question ab in reply to 41JDb, 01-18-2006 07:20:00

I think everyone should lighten upa little on Mike. He answers questions with facts and it's too bad that sometimes the facts aren't what we may want to hear. There's nothing wrong with trying to help a man help himself. Mike has no way of knowing what a persons mech. aptitude is by the questions they asked.Ever heard of Bill O'reily " O' reily Factor" on Fox News? He tells it like it is " no spin" . If he were president we would all be a lot better off!

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Mike M

01-22-2006 05:54:11

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Re: In response to the criticism on my question ab in reply to B-maniac, 01-21-2006 19:25:37

Thank You !

My original questioning ??? Fomed in a question ?? For which I was crucified for. Did indeed get more FACTS to show the math wasn't adding up. He actually got alot more for his dollar than only 3 items originally listed. And that is a GOOD thing.

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Pete/ME

01-19-2006 02:48:26

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Re: In response to the criticism on my question ab in reply to 41JDb, 01-18-2006 07:20:00

#1 Good for you!
#2 Nobody's business why you want to know what it's "worth".
#3 Makes no difference how many years you've got, there's geezers (like me) on this board who know less than you do.
#4 This is an excellent board by and large, and you can get some excellent advice here, but...
#5 Opinions are like azzholes, everybody has one.

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Joe S.

01-18-2006 17:44:53

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Re: In response to the criticism on my question ab in reply to 41JDb, 01-18-2006 07:20:00

I will say without question you will learn from the crappy jobs you have at the present to move onto a degree and a good living and provider. This was the spark that got my gpa out of the celler and went onto a 36 year job and a good pension and health card. Ask around the area and I am sure you can locate someone with a lot of time to spare and had used a B such as yours new and can work with you on the rehab. A 41b has come into my family as rusty as steel wire and at auction in a nest of collectors bidding brought 1500. Now this is by no means a bench mark. I have someones grandfathers or fathers B of my own. Running real good. Remember to keep asking rehab questions and take your time. Put on your body armor and wade in.

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Dan in Ohio

01-18-2006 16:09:28

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Re: In response to the criticism on my question ab in reply to 41JDb, 01-18-2006 07:20:00

41, You are lucky to have a tractor that belonged to your grandfather, do as much as you can now to preserve it and the memories that came with it. You will soon realize its value as you get older. As for the responses to your post take my advice and learn all you can from these guys, they (their knowledge) won't be around for ever. Just in the few years I have visited this board serveral guys are gone and with them their knowledge.

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Dave NE IA

01-18-2006 15:50:29

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Re: In response to the criticism on my question ab in reply to 41JDb, 01-18-2006 07:20:00

I read the post as well and I can't see any serious thing to be upset about. And I'm sure the intentions are good, and to repeat the others. We all make many mistakes with keyboards, and the English language. So I hope their are no hard feelings of any degree. As far as your tractor and your age, you deserve to be proud of what you have accomplished. My hats of to you. To bad you never got to see how Grandpa would have responded. Speaking for myself and many others, it is many times hard to accept the truth from our fact searching wives. (Bless their good intentions) From what I have been informed most guy's and their toys face the same facts, regardless of the hobbie. If I get the correct feel of your original question, I sence you are asking is it worth considerable more if you spend the money to detail it up to the next level. I would say if you do most of the work, don't have to borrow the money, and do it over a little time you probably will not regreat it. My guess is we all defend our spending, and actuly compared to other hobbies it is not out of line at all. I get alot of ribbing and defend myself to my buddies by saying that I could have bought a boat, snowmobile, a new car every year and on and on and on. None of it makes sence, but we are MAN, and only MAN can understand. Enyoy your tractor, and touch base on this board if you need some help finding value for your dollar. These guys are good ol boy's even though high boots ( like owning a parts tractor) are often a good option. Dave NE IA

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TEXASJ

01-18-2006 14:59:20

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Re: In response to the criticism on my question ab in reply to 41JDb, 01-18-2006 07:20:00

i think its excellent that the kid is into tractors and able to get one at a young age. i wanted one since i was 3 lol and i got my firt last month at the age of 26. it gives you a since of pride of past generations that didnt have the luxury of riding in a a/c cab with the xm radio playing while making a living. give the kid encouragment not grief.

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Mike M

01-18-2006 09:44:12

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Re: In response to the criticism on my question ab in reply to 41JDb, 01-18-2006 07:20:00

You have spent $1,000 on just a wheel repair,carb.and mag. just to hear it run ? It would be really wise to listen closely to (some)of the advice and tips given on this forum as no way one should of ever had to of spent that much. I know all about limited funds that's why I do everything myself and know how to scrounge around and come up with good used parts at a real good price. This computer age makes it easier than ever before.

There is really no way you can put a value on that tractor. Something like that you just fix. Cut costs but not corners wherever you can.Sometimes your better off not even adding up the bills you have saved in the pile.

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41JDb

01-18-2006 10:57:21

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This is how I spent it in reply to Mike M, 01-18-2006 09:44:12

Well most of the cost was:
$150 to buy and tune up a mag
$300 to buy a rim, wheel, hub, and tube. And painting it
$250 to rebuild my carb at burry.
$200 to rebuild the clutch which was completely destroyed including the crankshaft.
The rest of the money went to other things such as gaskets and miscellaneous parts.

It is very easy to spend $1000 even when getting the best prices possible

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Mike M

01-18-2006 11:42:50

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Re: This is how I spent it in reply to 41JDb, 01-18-2006 10:57:21

That cost break down looks a little better than the first report of only the three items.

Were you completely missing a mag. ?

There's alot of ways to trim money off of that carb. job.

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G/MAN

01-18-2006 13:26:03

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Re: This is how I spent it in reply to Mike M, 01-18-2006 11:42:50

Why don't you cut the kid some slack already? If the carburetor was a complete rust-ball with all the passages thoroughly plugged with rust and corrosion, loose shaft bushings and everything else, and a person doesn't have the knowledge, information or tools to properly fix it, then sending one to a place like Robert's is pretty cost-effective. We've done it with basket-case carburetors customers have brought into us, in fact. For some reason, we can't make our $60 per hour labor rate pencil out when Robert's will make one like new for $200 or so and guarantee it. And yes, some people buy tractors that are missing pieces - my "G" didn't have a mag. Or a starter. Or a flywheel shield. Or about a dozen other items, and what it did have was cobbled together in many cases. It's too bad this kid is getting more grief for his subsequent posts than the original one. I'm sure he's becoming VERY impressed with we John Deere guys...

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Mike M

01-18-2006 16:58:37

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Re: This is how I spent it in reply to G/MAN, 01-18-2006 13:26:03

You seem to think I'm giving him grief ? Well I'm not and I know my social skills are lacking as are my spelling and grammer. But my tractor skills are 2nd to none. I do everything I can myself.It gives me pride a in self accomplishment that I want this kid to also have. Plus I can save him a bunch of money.I'm sure at least $200 savings on the carb. alone !
So what if he doesn't even know where the carb. is ? I didn't at first either ! I bought some service manuals and READ them ! Or borrow them and make photo copies of certain areas.Then got my hands on a tractor and went to work. Sure I made some mistakes that's how you learn and if your paying attention you learn not to make the same ones twice. 75% or better of the questions asked on these forums could be self answered by reading some books first. Then ask more specific questions and get more specific answers that make more sense because you then have a clue what someone is talking about. The books will cover the basics first. Then tips and short cuts and suggestions can be handed down and passed on from those before you.

If you or him or anyone else doesn't believe what I say or understand it at first and flys off the handle without understanding so be it. Your loss. I just have too much spare time on my hands and shouldn't be messing around on these forums so much. That's MY loss.

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G/MAN

01-19-2006 07:24:51

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Re: This is how I spent it in reply to Mike M, 01-18-2006 16:58:37

Telling him he could save money on a job that's already done and paid for is pretty much redundant, isn't it? He paid $250 to have the carb rebuilt, and you'll do it for less than $50 with the same results? How many do you want me to send you? Absolutely getting the manuals is the proper thing to do. I've posted that time and again, haven't I? I'm happy for you that you can work on your own tractors. I do it for a living, AND as a hobby. I guess that's "my loss".

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Mike M

01-19-2006 07:53:44

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Re: This is how I spent it in reply to G/MAN, 01-19-2006 07:24:51

GMAN ;Get off your high horse and read what I have written. I would like to TEACH HIM to TEACH HIMSELF to do it himself this would of only cost $50.00 in parts average. He was the one who posted worried about how much money HE has been spending on it. It's maybe too late for this carb. NOW , but what about the next one or the next thing that's bad on this one ? HUH What's he going to do then ! Bring it into your dealership carrying a jar of vaseline and backing in the door ? He doesn't have the funds for that !

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G/MAN

01-19-2006 10:22:21

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Re: This is how I spent it in reply to Mike M, 01-19-2006 07:53:44

I'm supposed to get off MY high horse? That's funny - I'm not the one bragging about my "tractor skills" being second to none. You are. I'm all for people doing jobs themselves - there are piddly little jobs that I have to do from time to time that I'd rather not and the owner could easily do himself, unless it's beyond their current capabilities and equipment/tool inventory, in which case they're pretty likely to screw it up worse and cost themselves MORE than it would have cost to have somebody else do it correctly, in the long run. Regardless of your "tractor skills", your teaching skills are sorely lacking. You don't teach by effective saying "boy, you really got hosed paying $1000 to get that thing running so far. I could have saved you this much and that much." That's a pretty darn good way to make someone just give up, if they think they're going to be second-guessed every time they ask a question or relate an experience. You teach by encouraging someone to seek good advice and assistance and take it. But since you've got this one sewn up and know it all, I'll just bow out and let you lead the kid down the path of knowledge and wisdom. There's probably not much that a professional JD technician with 12 years of formal training and experience can tell a self-taught genius like yourself...

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Mike M

01-19-2006 11:52:16

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Re: This is how I spent it in reply to G/MAN, 01-19-2006 10:22:21

It ain't BRAGGING IF YOU CAN DO IT !!!!!

It may not be a high horse ? but you must be HIGH on something ?

I never said he got hosed on his $1000 I did ask him what he got for that money. He originally only listed 3 items. When asked the list grew considerably and the priced dropped to only $950 total. That changed the math alot. And yes it was too late to save him money this trip and I hope Your fight with me hasn't scared him off. And I hope I can help him in the future if he wants.

And 12 years with a dealer is commendable.But you ought to try those years out on your own where you pay for your own mistakes when and if made and don't have a dealership running coverup for you.

I would of liked to bowed out long ago ,but keep trying to no avail,to defend myself and straighten out your notion of somehow I WANTED to cause this kid more greif. It just seems like you think I'm some sort of monster or something I'm not.

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G/MAN

01-19-2006 13:33:38

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Re: This is how I spent it in reply to Mike M, 01-19-2006 11:52:16

Sorry, but I don't NEED a dealership running coverup for me. My rework is consistently next to nonexistent, and my efficiency is consistently at or near the highest in the shop. And that ain't bragging, because I can do it. Screwups happen, but I don't believe I've ever had one that cost more than maybe a few hundred bucks to put right. And if you think every independent guy is paying for his screwups, you're wrong. Never heard of liability insurance? How about those extra little charges that get tacked on to every work order? You're free to take a little field trip and tag along whenever you feel like it. Anybody can sit in their garage and tinker with two-bangers and be a self-proclaimed expert. Head out to the corn field with nothing but the tools in your truck sometime to work on something, and you'll get a little different perspective. I don't intend to work for a dealership forever, but I'm also fortunate that I like what I do well enough that I don't really even consider it work, but rather an ongoing education that I'm getting paid to receive. I also don't see too many shadetree independent guys working on 8000-Twenty tractors, 60-series combines and so forth. "A"s to 8520s, there aren't too many JD tractor models I haven't worked on in my 6+ years of wrenching on Deeres. Once again, that's not bragging either.

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41JDb

01-18-2006 17:22:57

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Give me some credit in reply to Mike M, 01-18-2006 16:58:37

I never meant to start a riot with my second posting I only meant to say that I only wanted to know what something like that will bring. Don't think I am an dumb and throwing away money as I shop around as much as possible. It may be a bad thing to say that I dont know where the carburetor is as I do and I just figured it would be better done professionally rather than me doing something half way after watching $85 worth or robert's carburetor videos. The mag on the tractor could not be salvaged as it was cracked and rusted to pieces on the inside. On disassembly nearly every screw broke off so a used one had to be purchased.

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G/MAN

01-19-2006 10:30:44

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Re: Give me some credit in reply to 41JDb, 01-18-2006 17:22:57

You're doing the best you can, and that says a lot right there. If the magneto was in that bad of shape, then another unit was probably definitely the way to go. Two-cylinder carbs are relatively simple, but there are tricks to them just like anything else, and if they're completely full of junk, they need to be stripped down and all the passages cleaned out with properly-sized drill bits, etc. If one comes in the shop in decent condition, it's not a big deal to clean it up and re-kit it, and I've done a few that way in addition to a couple of my own. But if a customer brings in a complete basket-case, we're sure not going to bend him over for the parts and 3 or 4 hours of labor ($180-$240 right there) to get it back in shape when we can ship it to Robert's and have it back in less than a week in like-new condition and having been test-ran. Dealerships have a leg up when doing business with him, as he realizes there could be a tractor taking up space in a revenue-producing shop while he's got the carb. If you haven't already, do yourself a failure and spend a little money on the proper service, operator's and parts manuals for your tractor. The parts books alone go a long way toward explaining how various things work, as you can see the pieces in relation to each other, and parts guys really like being able to punch in a number rather than try to guess what you're after. Good luck with the "B", and don't hesitate to ask questions.

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Mike M

01-19-2006 02:46:25

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Re: Give me some credit in reply to 41JDb, 01-18-2006 17:22:57

What the Heck is going on here ? How do you ever think I insulted you ? I just used that phrase as an example and also stated that I at one time did not know what or where one was.

Did you guys come out of the womb knowing everything ????? ????? ????? ????? ????? ?????

And on the credit side your young,care about tractors,your wanting to fix this one because it has some history,and $150 for a rebuilt mag. because yours was junk sounds good too ! Now go pat yourself on the back for what you have done ! Then get back to work on that tractor fix it right,don't cut quality,cut costs ! And in the end don't worry about what it's worth in dollars and cents. It's value is far greater than that !!

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G/MAN

01-19-2006 10:24:05

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Re: Give me some credit in reply to Mike M, 01-19-2006 02:46:25

Kind of odd that more than one person seems to think you were giving him a hard time, isn't it? When does the "teaching" begin???

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P.S.

01-18-2006 10:07:33

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Re: In response to the criticism on my question ab in reply to Mike M, 01-18-2006 09:44:12

I went back and reread what was said before and can't for the life of me see what has you worked up as it sounds like some good advice to me ?????

Mike M

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G/MAN

01-18-2006 10:17:47

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Re: In response to the criticism on my question ab in reply to P.S., 01-18-2006 10:07:33

I think it was probably the post that said he shouldn't worry about what it's worth since it was given to him and it's his grandpa's tractor. I have a lot of things I'll never sell also, but I still like to know what they're "worth".

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Mike M

01-18-2006 11:33:41

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Re: In response to the criticism on my question ab in reply to G/MAN, 01-18-2006 10:17:47

Worth is really only established once the money changes hands. Anything else is just a guess and or wishfull thinking.

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G/MAN

01-18-2006 13:20:54

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Re: In response to the criticism on my question ab in reply to Mike M, 01-18-2006 11:33:41

I'm aware of that, and I've posted to that effect countless times - you might want to check my original post on this thread. But for most things, there are still some guidebooks to be found for a general sense of "value" - blue books for cars, catalogs for used gun prices, etc. If you have half a clue, you've got a general idea of what something is actually "worth" before you start throwing money around. Unless money is no object. Maybe you're in that boat, but I'm not.

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41JDb

01-18-2006 11:00:58

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Re: In response to the criticism on my question ab in reply to G/MAN, 01-18-2006 10:17:47

Thank you! That is all I was trying to say

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John T

01-18-2006 08:04:55

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Re: In response to the criticism on my question ab in reply to 41JDb, 01-18-2006 07:20:00

41, Best wishes on your tractor. I dont usually respond to questions of what anythings worth, as its personal to the owner and who can really say. If you enjoy it or it has sentimental value, whatever YOU CHOOSE to spend on it is your and no one elses business as far as Im concerned. Many of us are in this hobby for the fun and fellowship and pride we get from restoring an old piece of iron and preserving a part of the past that others in the future may enjoy and NOT FOR THE MONEY or we could all go broke lol. Consider it as a labor of love, since if we kept track of our time and labor and all we spend in restoration, I doubt we could ever sell at a profit. Its the PROCESS of restoration NOT any profit potential many of us enjoy.

Good luck n God Bless

John T

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Island A

01-18-2006 07:53:45

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Re: In response to the criticism on my question ab in reply to 41JDb, 01-18-2006 07:20:00

I really didn't see any one criticizing you or your tractor. Perhaps one response was worded a little poorly but I think that some of the guys see so many "what is my tractor worth" questions they have a tendency to be a little more harsh at times. Anyway you got some good advice on value, those numbers were not jokes, it is just a common tractor. You will definitely have more money into the fix-up than it is worth, that is just the way it is in this hobby unless you are lucky enough to have a super-rare machine.
Dave

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Ben.So.Tex

01-18-2006 07:52:40

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Re: In response to the criticism on my question ab in reply to 41JDb, 01-18-2006 07:20:00

I have 4 Bs One I paid 200. for one 75. for another, and got the other 2 free. 2 of them run and 2 of them are now parts tractors John Deere made MANY of then, they are proabley the most common tractor out their. If it run a couple of hundred dollars is all they are worth in my books, If it is restored it is worth more, But you will not recover your repair money.
Some people like gun,knifes,boats, autos, Most of us here like our tractor hobbies and they all cost money. If you want to play you have to pay.
Good Luck with it take your time and you will have something to be extra proud of one day.
You may want to go to some local shows and tractor pulls to get some ideas.
Later Ben

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old

01-18-2006 07:41:14

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Re: In response to the criticism on my question ab in reply to 41JDb, 01-18-2006 07:20:00

I can understand the value thing your talking about. I have my grandfathers 1935 JD-B. Its on steel wheels the same one that where on it when he farmed with it. It has been painted and looks pretty good for a 10-15 year old paint job. I just put $2000 in to it a couple years ago to get it up and running, my dad let it go down hill, but that another story. Any how, my mom, the tractors was her fathers, put a price tag on this B. $100,000.00 not a penny less no matter who wants it.

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Mike M

01-18-2006 09:27:49

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Re: In response to the criticism on my question ab in reply to old, 01-18-2006 07:41:14

Old; Don't dare sell that B out from under me, I sent my agent Akmed with the cash plus some extra for your troubles. Did he not arrive yet ??? LOL

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old

01-18-2006 09:48:46

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Re: In response to the criticism on my question ab in reply to Mike M, 01-18-2006 09:27:49

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

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G/MAN

01-18-2006 07:28:00

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Re: In response to the criticism on my question ab in reply to 41JDb, 01-18-2006 07:20:00

I don't think anyone was too hard on you, but if you want to hang out on this board, you kind of have to learn to separate the wheat from the chaff. There are those that frequent discussion boards for no other purpose than to cause hate and discontent. Nothing better to do, I guess. And as the others said, there are no hard and fast "values" for any old tractor. It's basically "worth" whatever a buyer will give and you would take, and since you're not interested in selling, it's really not an issue. That said, ordinary row-crop "B"s are common as dirt, and prices tend to reflect that. That's in no way, shape or form a criticism of your tractor, as it's as good as any other old John Deere and you can get every bit as much enjoyment out of fixing it and using it as someone with their low-radiator "G" or hi-crop "A". Probably more, seeing as how you won't be afraid to walk away from it for 2 minutes at a show or parade, etc. Take your time, work on your "B" as time and money allow, and one of these days you'll have a nice old tractor that anyone would like to own, regardless of what else they have in the shed. And you'll find plenty of good info and moral support on this board, once you learn who to listen to and who to disregard. Good luck with the "B".

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uoflncolts

01-18-2006 08:40:52

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Re: In response to the criticism on my question ab in reply to G/MAN, 01-18-2006 07:28:00

Well said, but forgot to say that parts are plentiful as well. I am currently working on getting my Grandpa's original 620. He passed away over the summer and he was still using it last winter. I think you are lucky just to have it. Good luck.

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