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Starting a B without the clutch assembled

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41JDb

01-22-2006 11:28:41




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My carb and crankshaft/clutch all needed attention on my extremely poor running 41 b. I sent the carb away to Burrey's Carb Repair to get rebuilt and figured I would repair the clutch in the meantime. I disassebled the cluch and found that the crankshaft and driver spline were almost gone. I have a new driver and was planning to weld new plines on the crank The carb has returned and I want to know if the tractor will run well with the new carb because if it doesnt I will have to completely rebuild the engine and I could replace the crank while I have it ripped apart. My question is can I start the tractor with the clutch assembly (pulley,adjusting & free & driver disk) off. I am afraid I will cause damage because the flywheel will not have a counter balance. So can I start it?

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buckeye al

01-23-2006 15:48:59




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 Re: Starting a B without the clutch assembled in reply to 41JDb, 01-22-2006 11:28:41  
I think I'd be inclined to reinstall at least the clutch pulley, the driver and the floating disc that goes between 'em. Leave the clutch bolts, toggles, dogs, clutch plates and the operating fork all out. This should anchor and balance the crank.

The reason I'd be inclined to reinstall them is that their presence and position on the right end of the crankshaft are what keeps the crank from moving left in the main bearings and keeps the rods centered on the wrist pins. Maybe it could move left far enough to chew up the oil line to the left main with the camshaft drive gear. Maybe it could bend a rod because of a lateral bind on the wrist pins though that's quite unlikely.

We all agree the absence of the clutch driver will cause it to shake rather stoutly. But allowing it to shake AND not anchor the crank to the right might allow that Chinaman named SUM TING WONG to wreak havoc inside the tractor! He's visited my shop and it looks like he's been to Wisconsin to vist Ralph too!

I'd put 'em back on and if the driver is loose and wants to rattle, wind some masking tape on the crank splines before you time it and put it on. It's never going to pull a load & it's just for safety and balance sake for a few minutes so where's the harm in that? This should allow you to safely start the engine to "scope it out" and likely keep Sum Ting Wong in somebody else's back yard!

I don't like to deliberately invite him in for a visit! He's quicker at breakin than I am at fixin! {:-)

My thoughts on it anyway.

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41JDb

01-23-2006 19:13:09




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 Re: Starting a B without the clutch assembled in reply to buckeye al, 01-23-2006 15:48:59  
Ya I really hate Sum Tin Wong. lol Thanks for all the great posts!



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RalphinWI

01-22-2006 17:26:38




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 Re: Starting a B without the clutch assembled in reply to 41JDb, 01-22-2006 11:28:41  
DON'T! Every time I try a shortcut of that caliber, it is a sign I'm trying to screw-up big time. Unfortunately I frequently succeed, i.e. at screwing up.



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Mike M

01-22-2006 12:09:46




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 Re: Starting a B without the clutch assembled in reply to 41JDb, 01-22-2006 11:28:41  
It will shake without the driver disk in proper place.

If possible put the old worn one back on, large washers under the nut could even be used to tighten it up some back on farther because the clutch and other stuff is out of the way no need to worry about it binding up the facings.

If you don't have the old one the new could be used and may not suffer much spline damage since it won't be ran long or under load.

Plus just be extra careful of the added danger of getting wrapped up in it if your clothes catch on it.

And above all I hope I don't start another riot by trying to answer your questions. LOL

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41JDb

01-22-2006 14:08:50




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 Re: Starting a B without the clutch assembled in reply to Mike M, 01-22-2006 12:09:46  
I understand it will shake but you think there will be any damage? I just need it to run for a minute or two to determine how much diff the carb made.



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Mike M

01-22-2006 16:35:11




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 Re: Starting a B without the clutch assembled in reply to 41JDb, 01-22-2006 14:08:50  
I have never ran one without a driver. I have however worked on several tractors that have had the fylwheel and or driver on the wrong position causing some vibration. These tractors had ran many years this way and it really didn't seem to harm them. These old things are tough. If at all possible I'd just stick a driver back on to be safe and then you could run it longer and check it out better.If you can't I'd say just be ready to shut it down quick somehow if it acts up. Maybe have another person there to pull the plug wires out of your mag.(not the best on the mag.) Or if your mag. has a post just hook a wire on it you can ground out.

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Bob

01-22-2006 11:48:46




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 Re: Starting a B without the clutch assembled in reply to 41JDb, 01-22-2006 11:28:41  
I very much doubt you will damage anything, but there will be some shake, without the counterweighted driver disc to counterbalance the weight of the RH crank throw and connecting rod.



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